* bug#15145: 24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
@ 2013-08-20 18:08 Ulrich Mueller
2013-08-20 19:36 ` Glenn Morris
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2013-08-20 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 15145
Tags: patch
For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources" instead of
"Motif Resources". However, Motif is the original implementation,
whereas LessTif is an incomplete clone of it (whose development has
stalled). Furthermore, functions and variables are named *motif*
throughout (e.g., motif-version-string). Both Motif and LessTif are
free software, licensed under the LGPL. I think that it would serve
users better if the name of the original implementation was used.
The patch below changes LessTif (back) to Motif in some places,
partially reverting the following commit from 2001:
http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/emacs/trunk/revision/36503
--- emacs-orig/doc/emacs/emacs.texi
+++ emacs/doc/emacs/emacs.texi
@@ -1189,7 +1189,7 @@
* Resources:: Using X resources with Emacs (in general).
* Table of Resources:: Table of specific X resources that affect Emacs.
* Lucid Resources:: X resources for Lucid menus.
-* LessTif Resources:: X resources for LessTif and Motif menus.
+* Motif Resources:: X resources for Motif and LessTif menus.
* GTK resources:: Resources for GTK widgets.
GTK resources
--- emacs-orig/doc/emacs/xresources.texi
+++ emacs/doc/emacs/xresources.texi
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
* Resources:: Using X resources with Emacs (in general).
* Table of Resources:: Table of specific X resources that affect Emacs.
* Lucid Resources:: X resources for Lucid menus.
-* LessTif Resources:: X resources for LessTif and Motif menus.
+* Motif Resources:: X resources for Motif and LessTif menus.
* GTK resources:: Resources for GTK widgets.
@end menu
@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@
@ifnottex
@item @code{selectionFont} (class @code{SelectionFont})
Font name for pop-up menu items, in non-toolkit versions of Emacs. (For
-toolkit versions, see @ref{Lucid Resources}, also see @ref{LessTif
+toolkit versions, see @ref{Lucid Resources}, also see @ref{Motif
Resources}.)
@item @code{selectionTimeout} (class @code{SelectionTimeout})
@@ -370,15 +370,15 @@
Margin of the menu bar, in characters. Default is 1.
@end table
-@node LessTif Resources
-@appendixsec LessTif Menu X Resources
-@cindex Menu X Resources (LessTif widgets)
-@cindex LessTif Widget X Resources
-
- If Emacs is compiled with the X toolkit support using LessTif or
-Motif widgets, you can use X resources to customize the appearance of
-the menu bar, pop-up menus, and dialog boxes. However, the resources
-are organized differently from Lucid widgets.
+@node Motif Resources
+@appendixsec Motif Menu X Resources
+@cindex Menu X Resources (Motif widgets)
+@cindex Motif Widget X Resources
+
+ If Emacs is compiled with the X toolkit support using Motif or
+LessTif widgets, you can use X resources to customize the appearance
+of the menu bar, pop-up menus, and dialog boxes. However, the
+resources are organized differently from Lucid widgets.
The resource names for the menu bar are in the @samp{pane.menubar}
class, and they must be specified in this form:
--- emacs-orig/doc/man/emacs.1
+++ emacs/doc/man/emacs.1
@@ -445,7 +445,7 @@
.IR on ;
don't have menu bars if
.IR off .
-See the Emacs manual, sections "Lucid Resources" and "LessTif
+See the Emacs manual, sections "Lucid Resources" and "Motif
Resources", for how to control the appearance of the menu bar
if you have one.
.TP
@@ -492,7 +492,7 @@
Font name for pop-up menu items, in non-toolkit versions of
.IR Emacs .
(For toolkit versions, see the Emacs manual, sections
-"Lucid Resources" and "LessTif Resources".)
+"Lucid Resources" and "Motif Resources".)
.TP
.BR selectionTimeout " (class " SelectionTimeout )
Number of milliseconds to wait for a selection reply.
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2013-08-20 18:08 bug#15145: 24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources" Ulrich Mueller
@ 2013-08-20 19:36 ` Glenn Morris
2013-08-20 19:43 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-08-20 21:09 ` Stefan Monnier
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3 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2013-08-20 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ulrich Mueller; +Cc: 15145
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources" instead of
> "Motif Resources".
Probably because Motif was not free software until recently.
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2013-08-20 19:36 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2013-08-20 19:43 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-08-20 20:04 ` Glenn Morris
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2013-08-20 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 15145
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Glenn Morris wrote:
>> For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources" instead
>> of "Motif Resources".
> Probably because Motif was not free software until recently.
That may well be. The commit message for the above-mentioned commit
from 2001 doesn't state any reason, though.
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* bug#15145: 24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
2013-08-20 18:08 bug#15145: 24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources" Ulrich Mueller
2013-08-20 19:36 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2013-08-20 21:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-20 23:00 ` Richard Stallman
2013-08-31 19:51 ` Glenn Morris
3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-08-20 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ulrich Mueller; +Cc: 15145
> The patch below changes LessTif (back) to Motif in some places,
> partially reverting the following commit from 2001:
> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/emacs/trunk/revision/36503
That looks OK, thank you. That change was made because Motif wasn't
Free back then, so we wanted to promote LessTif over Motif. Nowadays,
we should feel free to promote Motif instead.
Stefan
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2013-08-20 18:08 bug#15145: 24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources" Ulrich Mueller
2013-08-20 19:36 ` Glenn Morris
2013-08-20 21:09 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2013-08-20 23:00 ` Richard Stallman
2013-08-25 18:12 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-08-31 19:51 ` Glenn Morris
3 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2013-08-20 23:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ulrich Mueller; +Cc: 15145
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For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources" instead of
"Motif Resources".
The reason is, Motif was nonfree software and thus we COULD NOT
recommend it.
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2013-08-20 23:00 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2013-08-25 18:12 ` Ulrich Mueller
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2013-08-25 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: 15145
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Richard Stallman wrote:
> For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources"
> instead of "Motif Resources".
> The reason is, Motif was nonfree software and thus we COULD NOT
> recommend it.
Thank you for clarifying. As you're certainly aware, the situation has
changed, as Motif was released under the LGPL.
And it looks like LessTif development has stopped. Their last release
and the last commit to their CVS were in 2009. There is virtually no
activity on their mailing list and they don't react to bug reports.
That's about as dead as a package can be.
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* bug#15145: 24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
2013-08-20 18:08 bug#15145: 24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources" Ulrich Mueller
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2013-08-20 23:00 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2013-08-31 19:51 ` Glenn Morris
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From: Glenn Morris @ 2013-08-31 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 15145-done
Version: 24.4
Applied.
(It's a shame almost none of the 168 people with commit access help out
with applying things like this.)
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