From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:10:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: bugs@gnus.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291940620 21235 80.91.229.12 (10 Dec 2010 00:23:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 10 01:23:32 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQqln-0007tv-J2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:23:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33474 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQqlm-0008GK-Qn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:10:04 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42367 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> that I'm tempted to go back to just storing this data in the plain-text >> ~/.authinfo file until all this has been worked out. > > No!!!! Or only after prompting the user five times for > (different) confirmation. If you look at other widely used software packages, like Firefox, they default to just storing the passwords in an (obfuscated) non-encrypted file. I don't think that's such a bad default. >> When writing the ~/.authinfo.gpg file, the user should be queried one >> thing: "Password for ~/.authinfo.gpg: ****". And that's it, in my >> extremely humble opinion. > > I partly agree, though some users won't have a key-pair setup, others > will have several, so the right thing to do may be either to use > symmetric encryption, or to guess which key-pair to use, and since it's > a guess there needs to be a way for the user to override the guess. Again, if you look at what the user experience is with, say, Firefox -- if you have password encryption turned on, then Firefox will prompt you for the password to unlock your credential storage. This is intuitive and works well. If you want a more complicated credential storage setup, then that should be a user option, not a default. At present, the ~/.authinfo.gpg credential storage is not something you can present to a normal user and expect them to understand at all. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen