From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:25:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373405587 27203 80.91.229.3 (9 Jul 2013 21:33:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andreas Schwab , 14818@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 09 23:33:08 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfX2-0004Qv-AK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 23:33:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32850 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfX1-0004Ef-UF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:33:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfWy-0004DV-H6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfWw-0003dh-PY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49144) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfWw-0003dW-Jo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfWw-0002Ct-38 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:33:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: James Cloos Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 21:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14818.13734055308385 (code B ref 14818); Tue, 09 Jul 2013 21:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 21:32:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43460 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfW5-0002BB-EZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:32:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ore.jhcloos.com ([198.147.23.85]:48449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfW3-0002B2-7u for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:32:08 -0400 Original-Received: by ore.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id D4EA81F8BC; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:32:05 -0359 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=ore13; t=1373405526; bh=TXAAuJeH+ib71eEtuKM5PTRCH2E6zR7PnSXiF7M+kQI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=lC4KfVamWKdCl3JFbF+46h9pBbmyJXMKq8KZjxYAcN9l2cDuFAdOeo3wZk7g5wqQh ezTss12426rc3AEFvDEuZmhtCKcAvCG5ZisVd0LuGba7OOPknoEMWWi9qJY18dJ1k0 SRGoF8gw2zzsURgAvMQIOp9RD4BvJ0/Xo2bSQaQSBHw== Original-Received: by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id E145F72EFE; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:25:34 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQAgMAAABinRfyAAAACVBMVEX///8ZGXBQKKnCrDQ3 AAAAJElEQVQImWNgQAAXzwQg4SKASgAlXIEEiwsSIYBEcLaAtMEAADJnB+kKcKioAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC Copyright: Copyright 2013 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 15 X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:kjambunathan@gmail.com::xdTpVMtQDaX7Dy8V:00000000000000000000000000000000000000HSCBN X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:14818@debbugs.gnu.org::Zxfv0f4ByxS4ffIl:000000000000000000000000000000000000000R5GtI X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:schwab@suse.de::NLCHVepOGxZjMD98:00w9DU1 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:76171 Archived-At: Since this stems from my comment on the list.... I didn't mean to imply that I do not remember where backward-page and forward-page *are*, just that my fingers automatically start hitting C-v to scroll down in buffers like *Help* before I have a chance to consider paging down. A different binding wouldn't fix that. And as Andreas notes, ESC [ is the start of many vt100/xterm-style commands, including the octets sent by function keys. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6