From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12467: 24.1; customization initialization confusing Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:37:01 -0400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347990117 1464 80.91.229.3 (18 Sep 2012 17:41:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:41:57 +0000 (UTC) To: 12467@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 19:41:59 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1o7-0001ki-5S for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:41:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58125 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1o3-0007zq-1K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:41:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42525) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1nu-0007za-UE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:41:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1nr-0002NI-A0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:41:46 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:60790) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1nr-0002NA-4W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1p8-0001TN-SF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:43:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Robert Horn Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 12467 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13479901715610 (code B ref -1); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2012 17:42:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42103 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1ot-0001SF-FV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:42:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48471) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1Tx-0000JW-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:21:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1SY-0001wI-Bf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:19:48 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:55304) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1SY-0001wC-7g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:19:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45965) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1SV-0002ds-F6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:19:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1SQ-0001vO-VJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:19:39 -0400 Original-Received: from l2mail1.panix.com ([166.84.1.75]:49567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TE1SQ-0001vK-QO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:19:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by l2mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745EBF8 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from quad.robs.office (panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A77A2E8A5 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:37:02 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Notmuch/0.13 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.1.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. 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Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators for other languages. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': I found a confusing behaviour for customization. To trigger the behavior, assign a value of "t" to org-habit-show-all-today. What I found is: - If you start emacs and immediately go into *shell* and print org-habit-show-today-all you get an error because that variable has not yet been bound. : Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable org-habit-show-all-today) : (print org-habit-show-all-today) : eval((print org-habit-show-all-today) nil) : eval-last-sexp-1(t) : eval-last-sexp(t) : eval-print-last-sexp() : call-interactively(eval-print-last-sexp nil nil) - If you start emacs and immediately go into options->config for org-habit, the org-habit-show-today-all will indicate that it has been set outside of the customization system when the customized value is "t". When the customized value is "nil" there is no indicated problem. - If you start emacs and put a buffer into org mode, the (print org-habit-show-all) will show the customized value, and the options->config will also show the customized value. This behavior is not documented, which would be one fix. But a naive user would expect that starting the customization process for the group would also cause processing of the startup customization. In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.7) of 2012-08-02 on quad Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11004000 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: o r g - h a b i t C-x C-g C-g C-c a h d C-x C-c C-c a h d C-c C-t d C-x C-s C-x C-c Recent messages: refile.org/ [3 times] standards.org/HL7 ihe.org/ITI-admin ihe.org/Tasks and Random stuff Saving all Org-mode buffers... Saving file /home/hornrj/org/JOURNAL.org... 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