From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19082: 24.4.50; seconds-to-time: Autoloading failed to define function time-add Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:19:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416439341 22432 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2014 23:22:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19082@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 20 00:22:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XrEZj-0006mm-4L for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 00:22:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32911 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XrEZi-00036w-K5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:22:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51097) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XrEZa-00036c-VG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:22:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XrEZW-00032B-Kb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:22:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41596) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XrEZW-000327-I0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:22:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XrEZW-0000zB-BQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:22:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: James Cloos Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19082 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 19082-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19082.14164392713727 (code B ref 19082); Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:22:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19082) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2014 23:21:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38809 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XrEYg-0000y2-O9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:21:11 -0500 Original-Received: from ore.jhcloos.com ([198.147.23.85]:58036) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XrEYe-0000xu-Dh for 19082@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:21:08 -0500 Original-Received: by ore.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id 9B5251E241; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:21:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=ore14; t=1416439267; bh=YvR5LiMuWnu8iIk7UX/Ap/NOXL6+XpWZ41La8zPXqRM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=YsNPDeW3M7p9HQXEVTBNpc23sPt5H9/AEB7LhDrJ9ixBc/TiW+c/+E6taKOqNdrNx J0HqVS4xct47Vokmz3WwyWAiVyavF2e+xJ+LMbxjdiGplXT4ShnvzS/YiPPpELts/S /8kFTS1kOq6orZtKkF2nmlKnE2UqoZujLygxOoJY= Original-Received: by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 19C2A60023; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:19:00 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:00:52 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQAgMAAABinRfyAAAACVBMVEX///8ZGXBQKKnCrDQ3 AAAAJElEQVQImWNgQAAXzwQg4SKASgAlXIEEiwsSIYBEcLaAtMEAADJnB+kKcKioAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC Copyright: Copyright 2014 James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6; url=https://jhcloos.com/public_key/0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 41 X-Hashcash: 1:28:141119:rgm@gnu.org::ewQ3h3eYOlMRq39E:000004Uydv X-Hashcash: 1:28:141119:19082@debbugs.gnu.org::5SWW1es1asYj899n:000000000000000000000000000000000000000iGnav X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:96293 >>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris writes: GM> You said: GM> I get the $subject error continuously since compiling git master. GM> But your subject says "24.4.50": Hmmm. I was getting the error after trying several re-compiles, including earlier versions in Gentoo portage. I guess I failed to recall exactly which I was at when I managed to send the bug report. Whichever version I used, it showed the same symtom. >> As it turned out, running with -nsl fixed it. >> >> It looke like gnus added an el file with the same name as the one in >> emacs, which was loaded instead of emacs' file. GM> IIUC, a local shadow of something broke something? GM> I don't think this is an Emacs problem. >> So the real bug is that -nsl is not the default. GM> But obviously we can't make that the default setting? Why not? It used to be necessary manually, in a site el or in .emacs, to add subdirectories to the load path. That makes it easy to install packages which get infrequent use, and enable them as neeeded. Now, the default breaks things. I has to uninstall a language package some time back because it broke gud when installed. The ability to load it only when I want, w/o breaking other emacs sessions is most valuable. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6