From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#74: defcustom keyword :custom-show isn't documented Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:27:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1309977691 31616 80.91.229.12 (6 Jul 2011 18:41:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 74@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 20:41:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeX2M-0005nJ-7l for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:41:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32829 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeX2L-0004oS-3x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:41:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55464) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVvM-0002in-AK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVvK-0000dK-Dt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVvK-0000ct-04 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:30:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVvJ-00072D-CK; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:30:05 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:30:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 74 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 74-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B74.130997339926987 (code B ref 74); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:30:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 74) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2011 17:29:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVvC-00071E-GP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:29:58 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVvA-000710-G2 for 74@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:29:57 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVuz-0007dX-7X; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:29:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:08:10 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Anna =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=A4rvinen's?= _Man var bland molnen_: "=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=84ppel=C3=B6ga?=" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110706:rgm@gnu.org::lyK30WuAi25XmglM:00000017Zy X-Hashcash: 1:23:110706:74@debbugs.gnu.org::gAfR3H0Q5ot+eVwx:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000z8Gy X-MailScanner-ID: 1QeVuz-0007dX-7X MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310578185.3626@D6M4C0hWi5JopTQg2vucoQ X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:30:05 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:48097 Archived-At: Glenn Morris writes: >> Neither the doc string of `defcustom', nor the manual explains it. > > It seems that it (:custom-show) is supposed to make the variable value > field be hidden by default when it is created. In other words, make the > custom buffer look like you have clicked the "Hide the value of this > option" button. > > The idea is that when a variable has a complex value, it should be > hidden by default, to avoid cluttering up the display. > > However, AFAICS it doesn't work (in Emacs 21, 22, or 23). > custom-variable-value-create only uses custom-show when a variable has a > nil :custom-state. Since variables are created with state 'unknown, it > never does anything. > > Making the obvious change doesn't work (the variable is created hidden > ok, but can't be unhidden by clicking the relevant button). > > Given that it seems never to have worked, I'm not sure it's worth > bothering trying to fix it. It's only used in gnus-art (and cus-edit > tries to apply it to long editable-fields). Perhaps we should just remove the usages, and mark :custom-show as obsolete? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/