From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel =?iso-8859-2?q?Jan=EDk?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: Czech keyboard -- incorrect quote Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:19:08 +0200 Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <000001c24c7e$3467bfc0$79dd7ac3@MIT> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1030731798 12447 127.0.0.1 (30 Aug 2002 18:23:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17kqQP-0003Ed-00 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:23:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17kqRr-0006HF-00; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:24:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17kqPX-0005HR-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:22:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17kqPU-0005Gx-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:22:22 -0400 Original-Received: from p0182.as-l043.contactel.cz ([194.108.242.182] helo=SnowWhite.SuSE.cz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17kqPU-0005Gm-00; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:22:20 -0400 Original-Received: by SnowWhite.SuSE.cz (PJ, from userid 500) id CC93A18434; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:25:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Matej Cepl" Original-Cc: Kenichi Handa Original-Cc: Richard Stallman X-Face: $"d&^B_IKlTHX!y2d,3;grhwjOBqOli]LV`6d]58%5'x/kBd7.MO&n3bJ@Zkf&RfBu|^qL+ ?/Re{MpTqanXS2'~Qp'J2p^M7uM:zp[1Xq#{|C!*'&NvCC[9!|=>#qHqIhroq_S"MH8nSH+d^9*BF: iHiAs(t(~b#1.{w.d[=Z User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i386-suse-linux-gnu) Original-Lines: 36 Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:3369 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:3369 From: "Matej Cepl" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:15:32 +0200 Hi Matěj, > There is incorrect key in czech keyboard originally stored in > $EMACSDIR/leim/quail/czech.el. Attached to this message you will find > a patch, which makes the layout more usefull for editing in Emacs. The > problem is that there is incorrect quote (` instead of '), which is > totally useless in Czech texts and less usefull in English texts > (where correct doublequotes are provided by AUC-TeX). I have spent some time today and studied about 5 types of Czech keyboards in local computer shop and also looked at various definitions of Czech keymaps on my system and also on systems of my collegues who do not use the same system as I use. And after that, I decided to no apply your patch, because the standard keyboard layout contains the character ` at that position. I think that people who do not want to have ` there, but want to have ' on that key (and can create a patch like you did) can find a better way to make the keyboard suit their needs. You argument about English texts is not acceptable, because writing English texts on Czech keyboard is crazy IMHO. The argument about ` being useless is also not acceptable, because in Czech texts, you almost do not need the character ' too. I hope you understand my decision and will accept it. Anyway, thank you for your interest in trying to make Emacs better. -- Pavel Janík That's the problem: pretesters aren't finding many more bugs nowadays, so it'll probably take until 2005 to find and fix enough bugs that we can comfortably announce the code stable. -- Stefan Monnier in comp.emacs