From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 35389@debbugs.gnu.org, Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>, npostavs@gmail.com
Subject: bug#35389: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Emacs on macOS sets mouse-wheel variables directly
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 11:54:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2zhnt2u62.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sgtleczm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 11 May 2019 09:12:13 +0300")
>>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019 09:12:13 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
>> Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 22:25:31 +0100 From: Alan Third
>> <alan@idiocy.org> Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
>> 35389@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com
>>
>> > Why does that system configuration need a different default
>> to begin > with? In general, having different defaults on
>> different systems is > not a good idea.
>>
>> macOS 10.7+ handles wheel scrolling differently from how other
>> systems handle it. If we stick with the defaults then it
>> becomes uncontrollably fast, the current defaults make it feel
>> similar to X, Windows, etc.
>>
>> IIRC, fixing it in C is probably possible, but not as straight
>> forward as just changing the defaults. There was discussion of
>> it in Emacs devel at the time and only one person objected, but
>> later changed their mind.
Could you give a time range for when that was discussed?
Eli> Could there be some internal variable, either in Lisp or in
Eli> C, which we then would use in the default value, as some
Eli> unit, instead of just number of wheel turns and number of
Eli> lines? Then we could set that internal variable to different
Eli> values, but keep the customization the same in those
Eli> internally-defined units. I think that would be somewhat
Eli> cleaner, if possible and reasonable, because we'd be able to
Eli> document the customization in these units in a
Eli> platform-independent way.
I canʼt think of a single variable you could use to transform
(5 ((shift) . 1) ((control) . nil)))
to
(1 ((shift) . 5) ((control)))
unless you want to start doing 'on macOS >= 10.7, divide by 5 if no
modifiers, multiply by five if shift', which could be done in lisp in
`mwheel-scroll', but it feels very hacky.
(as an aside ((control) . nil) is the same as ((control)), so we
should change one or the other)
Eli> If that's impractical, then I guess we'll have to live with
Eli> this inconsistency, although I personally consider it a
Eli> slippery slope. At the very least it should be documented,
Eli> in NEWS if not in the manual.
Noam's original suggestion of patching ns-win.el might be best, then,
as it avoids any changes to the defcustom's.
>> > Also, the original patch mentioned a specific version of
>> appkit, > whereas this one is more general, AFAIU. Wouldn't
>> that cause trouble > or surprise elsewhere?
>>
>> We still support macOS 10.6, which behaves similarly to X and
>> Windows. Changing the defaults for it would result in
>> unexpected behaviour.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if 10.6 was still supported, so we'll have to
cater for that.
Eli> Are you saying that testing the OS version and testing the
Eli> appkit version yield the same result in this case? Or are
Eli> you saying that testing the appkit version is simply
Eli> incorrect? Because that was my concern.
I think testing the appkit version is correct (but Iʼm not the expert
here, Alan is).
Robert
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-23 9:47 bug#35389: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Emacs on macOS sets mouse-wheel variables directly Robert Pluim
2019-04-23 11:17 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-23 11:38 ` Robert Pluim
2019-05-10 15:29 ` Robert Pluim
2019-05-10 19:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 21:25 ` Alan Third
2019-05-11 6:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 9:54 ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2019-05-11 10:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 22:50 ` Alan Third
2019-05-12 4:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 11:05 ` Alan Third
2019-05-12 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 12:41 ` Alan Third
2019-05-12 23:29 ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-13 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 9:00 ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-16 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 23:24 ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-17 5:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18 8:50 ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-18 9:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 12:32 ` Alan Third
2019-05-22 6:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-23 4:24 ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-05-23 4:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 2:21 ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-06-07 18:31 ` Alan Third
2020-08-10 11:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-10 13:04 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-11 22:53 ` Alan Third
2019-05-11 23:06 ` Alan Third
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