From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id tp3sm48804547pac.16.2016.02.16.18.50.31 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:50:31 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6F63513068912; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:50:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20160205215301.GG7727@acm.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 5 Feb 2016 21:53:01 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:113164 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Alan Mackenzie writes: >> It would therefore be against the spirit of fundamental mode to introduce >> any mode-specific behaviour for it. > I'd agree with that last paragraph. > However, fundamental mode has had mode-specific indentation behaviour thr= ust > upon it. You'd probably argue legalistically that once some indentation > behaviour has been made a default, it's no longer mode-specific. I'd > disagree with you. I would rather that fundamental-mode be as non-magical as possible also. Anything content-aware (like electric indentation) smacks of enriched behav= ior over what is fundamental. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJWw9/zAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwzpYL/2quim3xB4NYBJm0BOpKBhnR bH4LNLMvpjdXh59PnXZF+wrKc7lJEGi0WY5AvHHe24+GcjlieBJwEaZJswXoShhR nD2yQUMvjLRTHgOorsKQRp7BHmFDj1IZ/fTrGSojfYQ1hvYWq7/Xz0Gjt1onWXP8 jTWYovqokIkmTSrR2XNC/z9Vr6FDEpm7wgAr0UnWpWCP737ZXbruxmLcDwjT/4NY 41I9CgtlugxB8HUDzrJ2pk5B3DRH1N3i1ZpuO2xQ1939UCxgLyJ+H3HADwlczezX OQgBBAJOxUvhxEp9TqHZrc08O3hrsKpIDF9Nrz7wUsr/hy4MFaKx9gdbt3Y5c1Ti ELO6zkVkbVBV8N1MNFR9tGPM5eCS0FOGlp6s8Cm8QylKYuwgh7sNZaB07HTOfCcf iW3wA2PQVHBA2DnVzKApjQnYAP93tBv3Z3L3ocQyL2rXmrqv6GK/TkYCWoR4o+fu j2fxcVQNl8iyfDVmKdWdn1VUKHieYceWsXdc3yVqyg== =2A2S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--