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[217.227.101.230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fe15-20020a1709072a4f00b0073da4b623e8sm7846111ejc.152.2022.08.31.23.45.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:45:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <838rn3sjwx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 01 Sep 2022 09:11:58 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:241231 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > So we have 2 alternatives: > > . declare that flickering on alacritty is currently a known problem, > and wait till Someone comes up with the proper solution for Emacs; > . add that variable I mentioned above, and let users try to fix the > problem with alacritty by flipping it. > > TBH, given your description, I'm no longer sure a simple boolean > variable that disables insert/delete-line optimization will do, since > the issue seems to be a much more general one. How sure are we that > some other scenario of redrawing a TTY frame won't cause similar > flickering regardless of the insert/delete-line feature? That's what I think, too. Maybe Dmitrii is Someone :-).