From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: pipcet@protonmail.com, 75322@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#75322: SAFE_ALLOCA assumed to root Lisp_Objects/SSDATA(string)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 11:20:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2wmfag9s6.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <865xmugawr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2025 11:56:20 +0200")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
>> Cc: pipcet@protonmail.com, 75322@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 09:47:43 +0100
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> > Let's discuss this on a case by case basis. Not all uses of alloca
>> > are the same or have the same requirements and restrictions.
>>
>> Okay. For the SDATA case, I find Pip's commit does the right thing. It
>> uses xstrdup for the strings and makes sure these are freed later by
>> registering them in one of the special specpdl entries that exist for
>> that purpose (record_unwind_protect_ptr). Works with both GCs, is always
>> safe, I don't see disadvantages, and we don't have to check if GC runs
>> or not and compact strings (old) or moves string data around (igc).
>
> The disadvantage is to xstrdup strings when that is not needed. It
> increases memory pressure and also costs some CPU time. Not very
> significant disadvantage, admittedly, but still. If this is needed,
> it's a small price to pay, but if it isn't needed, it's a waste.
That's true.
>
> So let's see if we agree that it is indeed needed. The way to do that
> is to explain how GC could happen while the code which assembles the
> environment in make_environment_block and the code in emacs_spawn
> afterwards run. Note that we block SIGCHLD and block input while
> emacs_spawn runs.
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that's not something for me. The possible gains
are so small that I don't want to spend time checking this.
>> For the Lisp_Object cases, I strongly suspect that these cases are an
>> oversight and were left over when SAFE_ALLOCA_LISP was introduced. The
>> reason for introducing SAFE_ALLOCA_LISP is, IMO, what Pip said (old GC):
>> to make sure that the Lisp_Objects are marked, via specpdl stack entries
>> again, when the specpdl stack(s) are marked. Not doing that looks
>> definitely wrong. Replacing the other ALLOCA macros that are currently
>> used for holding Lisp_Objects with SAFE_ALLOCA_LISP would solve things
>> for both GCs.
>
> Can we first identify those cases, so that we could discuss the
> specific codes in question?
Okay. Pip talked about callproc.c and process.c. I believe process.c is
the one with the SDATA.
In callproc.c I found two: call_process and create_temp_file both use
SAFE_NALLOCA to store Lisp_Objects. I think these should be replaces
with SAVE_ALLOCA_LISP.
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2025-01-03 17:20 bug#75322: SAFE_ALLOCA assumed to root Lisp_Objects/SSDATA(string) Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-03 19:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 20:34 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 20:48 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 4:40 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 7:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 8:47 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 9:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 10:20 ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2025-01-05 13:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 14:11 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 18:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 20:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 20:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 3:57 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-06 8:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-06 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 21:15 ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 12:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 14:48 ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:27 ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-05 21:01 ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-05 23:28 ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 13:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 4:23 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 11:41 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 11:29 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 12:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 7:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 8:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 8:58 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 11:08 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 13:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 14:13 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 15:26 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 15:34 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 18:35 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 19:24 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 19:32 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 20:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2025-01-05 8:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 9:04 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 9:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 9:47 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 11:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:54 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-06 19:16 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 6:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 6:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:35 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 10:45 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 11:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 13:21 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 17:49 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 19:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 8:19 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:40 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:21 ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 11:27 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:49 ` Paul Eggert
2025-01-06 6:26 ` Gerd Möllmann
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