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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: 43866@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: bug#43866: 26.3; italian postfix additions
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:43:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2tuuxjdet.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kSYYq-0005LA-N4@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2020 00:38:48 -0400")

>>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 00:38:48 -0400, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> said:

    >> Would it make sense to support exactly the same keys that are
    >> provided by the X11 compose method?

    Richard> That might be a good idea.

Could we provide this as an input method?

    Richard> Also, I wonder if we could make that command more self-documenting.
    Richard> Maybe C-h in the argument for C-x 8 could display a buffer
    Richard> which displays characters you can choose.
    Richard> Each character would be followed by the sequence to type to choose that
    Richard> character.

The problem is that such a list is very long. 'C-h b' after 'C-x 8
RET' will display the bindings, but it does not currently contain the
character names, and TAB after 'C-x 8 RET' will list all the names but
not the sequences for entering them.

There are completion frameworks that have solved this, eg with helm
you can start typing right after 'C-x 8 RET' and it will narrow the
list down automatically. Iʼm sure we could do something similar.

    Richard> This should include all the characters Emacs supports, divided clearly
    Richard> into Unicode code blocks, with their unicode names.  Not just the ones
    Richard> that have specific short C-x 8 sequences definied in Emacs.

Why does it matter which code block a character is in?

    Richard> It would be nice to have a prefix more mnemonic than C-x 8.
    Richard> But I have nothing to suggest.

    Richard> It would be good to shorten C-x 8 RET.  That is my go-to method
    Richard> of inserting characters for which I don't know a sequence.

Where would you put it? Note that if you do know the sequence you can
use Alt or a dead accent key instead of 'C-x 8' (someone did suggest
freeing up F2 recently)

    Richard> Currently, 8 upper-case letters are valid after C-h 8, and 6
    Richard> lower-case.  Suppose we free up one case -- either the upper-case
    Richard> letters or the lower-case letters.  Then we could make typing
    Richard> a letter of that case throw you into the minibuffer.

I think itʼs a tossup as to which of them would be easier to free
up. The lower case bindings have one fewer prefix key, so perhaps
lower case. Or perhaps a completely different binding.

    Richard> In this way, we could replace C-x 8 RET UNICODE-NAME RET with
    Richard> C-x 8 UNICODE-NAME RET.

    Richard> Also, why not change the Unicode character names to lower-case?
    Richard> They would look nicer that way, I think.

The Unicode character names are always described in upper case, but I
guess we could add a configuration option so that 'ucs-names'
downcased them (the completion in C-x 8 RET is case insensitive)

Robert
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-14 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-08 12:05 bug#43866: 26.3; italian postfix additions Francesco Potortì
2020-10-08 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-08 12:34   ` Francesco Potortì
2020-10-08 12:39   ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-08 12:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-08 13:54       ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-08 14:24         ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-08 14:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-08 13:26     ` Francesco Potortì
2020-10-08 14:00       ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-13 20:07     ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-14  2:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14  8:07         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-14 15:07           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 19:40             ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-15  2:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-19 20:45                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-19 23:12                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-20 18:42                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-20 14:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-20 14:47                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-20 15:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-20 18:44                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-20 19:05                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21  8:11                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-21 14:29                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 14:40                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-21 15:23                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 17:30                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-20 19:56                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21 14:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 17:23                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21 18:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 18:27                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-21 18:35                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 19:39                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-22 12:59                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-22 20:56                                     ` bug#44155: Print integers as characters Juri Linkov
2020-10-22 22:39                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-23  8:16                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-23  8:32                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-24 19:53                                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-25 17:22                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-25 19:09                                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-25 19:53                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-27 20:08                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-28 15:51                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-28 19:41                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-29 14:20                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-29 21:00                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-30  7:35                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31 20:11                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-31 23:27                                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2020-11-01  7:58                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-01 15:13                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 18:39                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-01 18:51                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 19:13                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-01 19:41                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:16                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-01 12:03                                       ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-11-01 18:35                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-01 20:52                                           ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-11-02 21:36                                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-02 23:03                                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-11-03  8:30                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-03 15:24                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-03 18:47                                                   ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-11-03 19:36                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-04 11:03                                                       ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-11-04 15:38                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-04 16:46                                                           ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-11-04 16:58                                                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-11-06 13:02                                                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-30 12:19                                     ` bug#43866: 26.3; italian postfix additions Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-30 12:29                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-30 14:49                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-30 15:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-30 18:49                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-29 13:35                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-15  3:52         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14  4:38       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14  8:11         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-14 10:43         ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2020-10-15  3:54           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14 14:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-08 15:23 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-10-08 15:35   ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-08 16:22     ` Francesco Potortì
2020-10-08 15:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-08 16:10   ` Francesco Potortì
2020-10-08 17:18     ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-08 17:28       ` Francesco Potortì
2020-10-08 17:59       ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-10-08 19:55         ` Francesco Potortì
2020-10-09  4:42         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-09 11:26           ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-10-09 11:53             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2020-10-09 12:45               ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-09 14:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-09 14:48                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-09 15:04                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-10 20:54                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-12  9:26                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-09 15:05                   ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-10-09 15:08                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-09 15:28                       ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-10-09 15:10                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-09 15:21                       ` Robert Pluim

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