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[217.227.101.230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 11-20020a170906308b00b00740e88177desm7734599ejv.125.2022.09.01.01.18.57 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 01 Sep 2022 01:18:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: ("Gerd =?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?="'s message of "Thu, 01 Sep 2022 08:45:54 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:241237 Archived-At: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> So we have 2 alternatives: >> >> . declare that flickering on alacritty is currently a known problem, >> and wait till Someone comes up with the proper solution for Emacs; >> . add that variable I mentioned above, and let users try to fix the >> problem with alacritty by flipping it. >> >> TBH, given your description, I'm no longer sure a simple boolean >> variable that disables insert/delete-line optimization will do, since >> the issue seems to be a much more general one. How sure are we that >> some other scenario of redrawing a TTY frame won't cause similar >> flickering regardless of the insert/delete-line feature? > > That's what I think, too. > > Maybe Dmitrii is Someone :-). I had an idea: Until this all is standardized/stable, how about adding two hooks that are called when Emacs is beginning a terminal update and when it is done? The user could then send whatever he wants to the terminal. Or maybe beginnign an update/end an update on any type of frame even? Don't know if that's useful though.