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[74.73.128.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u23sm5771392qte.30.2016.08.03.19.38.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Aug 2016 19:38:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:02:12 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:121812 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > If viper-mode is on and you for example in org-mode are in on a header > line with an invisible body and press =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D then the invisi= ble text is > still invisible and point is now in the invisible part. > > I think this is a general Emacs problem, not a problem with only Viper > and I suggest that global-reveal-mode is turned on by default. Sorry for the late reply. This is still a problem in Emacs 25. I don't know if I agree that this is a problem, though. The behavior I see with Viper (or Evil, for that matter) is confusing but not crazy. I still see that I'm inserting something before the invisible part (represented by "..."), and when I expand the outline, then my edit indeed put the text before that invisible part. Turning on global-reveal-mode by default would change the org experience and as well, so I'm unsure that is something others would agree on.