From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Andreas Schwab Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29838: 26.0; Elisp manual: describe standard-error sexps Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:52:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <837etcj95f.fsf@gnu.org> <058dab08-2e02-4378-b5e7-9d35e2b7d6af@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1514191874 13323 195.159.176.226 (25 Dec 2017 08:51:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 08:51:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: 29838@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 25 09:51:10 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eTOTV-00039z-LS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:51:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38285 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eTOVU-000698-Cj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 03:53:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46849) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eTOVN-000689-AV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 03:53:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eTOVK-0003hp-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 03:53:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:42450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eTOVK-0003hS-2g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 03:53:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eTOVJ-0001Vd-JP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 03:53:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 08:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29838 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 29838-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29838.15141919455758 (code B ref 29838); Mon, 25 Dec 2017 08:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29838) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2017 08:52:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51131 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eTOUj-0001Un-3p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 03:52:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:45132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eTOUg-0001Ud-Ix for 29838@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 03:52:23 -0500 Original-Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3z4tCn1qmjz1qsVh; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:52:21 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3z4tCn0fv2z1sFWr; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:52:21 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Original-Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qrnUARt4V7bE; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:52:20 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: iuprCRhFvG8cimHRLlFCUtMKby79L67ZdRhy0/XzlSAIS2hiXs/0GWfBPZ6nkZky Original-Received: from linux.local (p4FE4C57D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.228.197.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:52:20 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by linux.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 649931E5865; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:52:16 +0100 (CET) X-Yow: Spreading peanut butter reminds me of opera!! I wonder why? In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 24 Dec 2017 12:10:56 -0800 (PST)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:141476 Archived-At: On Dez 24 2017, Drew Adams wrote: >> > If users never saw such messages then perhaps there >> > would be no need to describe such things as >> > `(args-out-of-range 9 9)'. If they saw only nice >> > error messages such as "Args out of range: [1 2 3 4], -1" >> > then there would be no such problem. >> >> Is "Args out of range: 9, 9" any more informative? > > Of course not. But that's not the corresponding > error message, is it? Yes, it is. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different."