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From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 75275@debbugs.gnu.org, alan@idiocy.org, stefankangas@gmail.com
Subject: bug#75275: 30.0.92; `make-thread` bug on macOS 15.2
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2025 11:04:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2ldvtilb8.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86y0ztk323.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 02 Jan 2025 10:55:32 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
>> Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com,  alan@idiocy.org,  75275@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2025 09:41:38 +0100
>> 
>> Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> >
>> >> So should we add a condition before calling [NSApp run] that we are in
>> >> the main thread?
>> >
>> > ATM, I don't understand how we land in that line in ns_select_1 if not
>> > [NSThread isMainThread]. Maybe I need new glasses. I asked Stefan if he
>> > can see something in LLDB.
>> 
>> It must something in here:
>> 
>>   if (![NSThread isMainThread]
>>       || (timeout && timeout->tv_sec == 0 && timeout->tv_nsec == 0))
>>     thread_select (pselect, nfds, readfds, writefds,
>> 		   exceptfds, timeout, sigmask);
>> 
>> Should we return here?
>
> I don't know.  Is there anything in the following code that can be
> relevant to a non-main thread?  Note that non-main threads can
> legitimately call wait_reading_process_output, which calls ns_select.
> For example, what happens if a non-main Lisp thread starts a
> sub-process? we do expect to be able to read the output from that
> sub-process.

Really hard to tell. Perhaps someone could try to follow what I write
below and tell if it makes sense? Everything in ns_select_1.

1. I think this code must run in a non-main thread:

  if (nr > 0)
    {
      pthread_mutex_lock (&select_mutex);
      ... set some variables ...
      /* Inform fd_handler that select should be called.  */
      c = 'g';
      emacs_write_sig (selfds[1], &c, 1);
    }

selfds is apparently some pipe, NS-specific. The function fd_handler is
called when writing to the pipe I assume. fd_handler is set up like
this

  [NSThread detachNewThreadSelector:@selector (fd_handler:)
                           toTarget:NSApp
                         withObject:nil];

Looks to me like it runs in a thread of its own. fd_handler then
pselects on the fd sets set in the if above. That looks like it is
relevant to reading process output. And that means we may _not_ return
from ns_select_1 early when ![NSThread isMainThread].

  else if (nr == 0 && timeout)
    {
      /* No file descriptor, just a timeout, no need to wake fd_handler.  */
      double time = timespectod (*timeout);
      timed_entry = [[NSTimer scheduledTimerWithTimeInterval: time
                                                      target: NSApp
                                                    selector:
                                  @selector (timeout_handler:)
                                                    userInfo: 0
                                                     repeats: NO]
                      retain];
    }

2. This code

  else if (nr == 0 && timeout)
    {
      /* No file descriptor, just a timeout, no need to wake fd_handler.  */
      double time = timespectod (*timeout);
      timed_entry = [[NSTimer scheduledTimerWithTimeInterval: time
                                                      target: NSApp
                                                    selector:
                                  @selector (timeout_handler:)
                                                    userInfo: 0
                                                     repeats: NO]
                      retain];
    }

  means basically only to send an app-defined event after a timeout. I
  interpret this as "leave the NS event loop to let Emacs do things
  after a timeout". Looks okay to me.

3. This

  else /* No timeout and no file descriptors, can this happen?  */
    {
      /* Send appdefined so we exit from the loop.  */
      ns_send_appdefined (-1);
    }

  is likely also okay because send_app_defined has code checking for
  being in the main thread.

4. The [NSApp run] follows, and it can under no circumstances be done
   in a mon-main thread. We should put that in an if for sure.

  if ([NSThread isMainThread]) [NSApp run];

5. The code below is another enigma.

  I can't figure out why that is done, and what
  last_appdefined_event_data is for. But since it is run today, I'd
  propose to just let it run. I don't see that it does immediate harm.

:-/





  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-02 10:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-02  4:57 bug#75275: 30.0.92; `make-thread` bug on macOS 15.2 Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02  5:46 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  5:55   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  6:47   ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02  7:12     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:35       ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 14:38         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:45           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:19             ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 16:06               ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:47                 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:09                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:25                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:42                         ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 17:48                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:37                       ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 17:46                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:52                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 19:26                             ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 19:59                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 16:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  7:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  7:58       ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02  7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  7:30   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  8:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  8:33       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  8:41         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  8:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:04             ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2025-01-02 11:03               ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 13:05                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 13:53                   ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 14:03                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:17                       ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 15:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 15:37                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:55                     ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:08                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  8:51         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  7:31   ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02  8:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:31     ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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