`set-window-start` (without the third option) would indeed trigger the WSF because it contains a key ingredient: `w->force_start = true`. Because the second argument (i.e., POS) cannot be known from the PCH when point has moved beyond the visible window, `set-window-start` is not a viable substitute for this feature request. The attached patch is an example of an implementation of this feature request. I created a new function called `force-wsf`, whose sole purpose is to trigger the WSF to run during redisplay -- after the PCH has already finished. As noted in a previous e-mail, `run-window-scroll-functions` doesn't accomplish what `force-wsf` can achieve because the former runs the function attached to the WSF immediately -- instead of waiting until later on during redisplay when the correct values of `window-start` and `window-end` are ascertainable. This is my first attempt at writing something like this, and I'm not sure exactly if everything is correct. It does, however, appear to achieve the desired affect -- i.e., run the WSF at least once every command loop (even if no scrolling occurs) so we can always know the correct values for `window-start` and `window-end`. It is no longer necessary to guess with `elisp` from the PCH regarding whether WSF will run. I would, however, still like to come up with a test at the C-source code level that tells me whether the WSF will run more than one time -- because I only care about the last call on the WSF when the final values for `window-start` and `window-end` become available. The usage for the new function `force-wsf` is as follows: (defun pch-fn () (force-wsf (selected-window))) (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'pch-fn nil 'local) (defun wsf-fn (win start) (message "point: %s | win: %s | start: %s | end: %s" ;; A better test at the C-source code level appears to be needed to ascertain whether ;; the WSF will run more than one time -- because we want the value for `window-start` ;; and `window-end win t` based on the LAST time WSF runs during the command loop. (if (pos-visible-in-window-p nil nil nil) "visible" "NOT visible") win start (window-end win t))) (add-hook 'window-scroll-functions 'wsf-fn nil 'local) The new function in window.c looks like this: DEFUN ("force-wsf", Fforce_wsf, Sforce_wsf, 0, 1, 0, doc: /* Set force_start so that redisplay_window will run the window-scroll-functions. */) (Lisp_Object window) { register struct window *w = decode_live_window (window); w->optional_new_start = true; return; } And, the there is one additional line that may also be required further on down in window.d: defsubr (&Sforce_wsf); Thanks, Keith ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; At Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:34:41 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > . . . you need to call set-window-start with its 3rd > argument omitted or nil. Does that solve your problem?