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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 198sm10331098pgb.51.2017.03.28.22.13.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:13:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9DBDD33515A8; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:14:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:15:18 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:131044 Archived-At: >>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris writes: GM> I've never understood why Emacs includes a tags program. It's not part of GM> the normal remit of a text editor. That description applies to the majority of what Emacs has become today. :) ctags is included because it's an auxiliary program to extend the ability of Emacs to jump around code. That it's not implement in Emacs Lisp, or the C core of Emacs itself, is really beside the point. For all intents and purposes, it's part of what Emacs offers to the *user*, and I bet there are many users who aren't even aware that it's a separate program. GM> I would like to suggest removing etags so that the time saved can be spent GM> on other things. I appreciate your desire to optimize our project management burdens, but this is better mentioned on emacs-devel than a bug report. Removing etags will not increase the time spent on other things. You yourself can ignore etags, and spend your time elsewhere, but as long as someone is willing to keep working on etags, then by definition that is where they choose to spend their time. I could take away the opportunity, certainly, but I can't then allocate the time it would free up. If no one is maintaining something, *and* no one is using it, that's the time to consider deprecation and eventual removal. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2