From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41497: 28.0.50; Flawed text formatting of files like etc/TODO, etc/NEWS, etc. Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 17:20:35 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wo51voa8.fsf@bzg.fr> <83y2p9l7vi.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfl7jo31.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="51698"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 41497@debbugs.gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 01 17:21:08 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jfmFQ-000DKq-HV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 17:21:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36198 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jfmFP-0007H1-JP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 11:21:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44584) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jfmFK-0007Gt-4I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 11:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53430) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jfmFJ-0006lj-Qx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 11:21:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jfmFJ-0007mS-MH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 11:21:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41497 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41497-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41497.159102484729869 (code B ref 41497); Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:21:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41497) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2020 15:20:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36743 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jfmF5-0007lh-I5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 11:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-f49.google.com ([209.85.221.49]:37552) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jfmF3-0007lU-LX for 41497@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 11:20:46 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-f49.google.com with SMTP id x13so240323wrv.4 for <41497@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ahlST5W5f5s7DJvEXCxKzu9YQ4tYBrL82Pf2ApmyxEs=; b=TtZumkAeY8gQqwvm2X64sib4cJfxy7S2T5wbvApb8zWU+8pjeWMTBZTK0OHkBWy45a ttwOxsqz59qJISP0CFoFzRvlBduAtZjbUNWgHsxjDGrtYQD4FUjRNNek3t/+deeOC6E2 zipe4MCJ//5V7E2YPlENB2mqnHb6pcuAp/uwUSDQiu7crXFFpvXuevUFBnVQzPt/Fn2L c02Rtv18c0PDznP3rK2Fo8o5bYOy18Mmqe8YR6yLm4zt0LcSDZhtHHg+MZldo+i6oifZ rZyKzORZpAXHT+GnXxtnsE4/aQA7J9uzaSrsQK2YZzEsLhbfCAdsuWnjmQMAN9PoVjQw mFdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ahlST5W5f5s7DJvEXCxKzu9YQ4tYBrL82Pf2ApmyxEs=; b=ji1SYXL93+FeCo5rr4+YJ/a1kM3FdtQDg2AVSQ7sks23kJJinuuZLR16Beh8PMW10o Ni9zxQQUEYy5rfyotrC+9tBIDOFpdiqMvH4keGQnlOlLRc3anAnhrsi6/2hbCSt3zw01 y5zBwKeEpdHOlshmRhfZI75oA1g286FQlOv3H3cDNKFEZFvFOMg+QHdH47Fg5jCmKocG CqNMgf+FJZ4rHb2GIi7mD6kCmJhdWOTr51KDoeysSuwgJ7chgkXxoZaTEbdHmumDXdI1 0hW1tnz3e6Df4YeuQ1Bx4y13eAPOv2WLjhUot594GVEy+xgMYYsbtXO/wIFP9wxk3oHa tEmw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533/baGy9n5Y/Mu/EYjHS8nSx2oZgW/PeavEP0z1ZCngymmmMcJ2 tL4eDZcOpLWJqLeU95Ii9TerjVi8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzFxDRxb2A4oq9WRd5QZ2BuilI0rIoY5sh8NUk1+x3wOhly39V2noapNAaPOPfdaonl8W3VMg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:1185:: with SMTP id g5mr24171140wrx.39.1591024839280; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac (vav06-1-78-207-202-134.fbx.proxad.net. [78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r7sm12617562wmb.32.2020.06.01.08.20.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:20:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lfl7jo31.fsf@gnu.org> (Bastien's message of "Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:29:38 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:181341 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:29:38 +0200, Bastien said: Bastien> Temporary note: Bastien> +++ indicates that all relevant manuals in doc/ have been up= dated. Bastien> --- means no change in the manuals is needed. Bastien> When you add a new item, use the appropriate mark if you are= sure it Bastien> applies, and please also update docstrings as needed. Bastien> So, +++ both mean that no action is needed, either because the= manuals Bastien> have been updated already or because they don't need any updat= e. If Bastien> this is meant as a call to action for Emacs maintainers, what = is it Bastien> (since both say that things are okay)? If this is meant to th= e users, Bastien> what info is conveyed here? What means "Temporary note": is it Bastien> because --- and +++ are removed right before the release? It=CA=BCs supposed to be a signal from the person who made the change to the Emacs maintainers. Lack of both +++ and --- means 'I didn=CA=BCt check', and they=CA=BCre removed just before release. Bastien> What about getting rid of --- and +++ in these files and movin= g the Bastien> message is conveys (about the need for an update of the manual= s) in=20 Bastien> the etc/TODO file, or in a dedicated etc/PRERELEASE file? It=CA=BCs a temporary note, I think it=CA=BCs important that the message it conveys be in NEWS where the changes are made rather than in a separate file (and PRERELEASE doesn=CA=BCt work, since these annotations need to be done as changes are committed, not a year later just before release). Robert