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[217.227.97.139]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x9-20020a05600c21c900b003fefe70ec9csm3286003wmj.10.2023.10.05.01.52.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 05 Oct 2023 01:52:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83o7hd4n5n.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 05 Oct 2023 09:08:04 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:271856 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann >> Cc: Stefan Kangas , Gregory Heytings >> , 65908@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii >> , ccsmile2008@outlook.com >> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2023 07:55:55 +0200 >> >> When I start 058c012f73d4abe014ace44b46c23babd48aebbc by double-clicking >> Emacs.app, then M-x shell, I get >> >> $ locale >> LANG=3D"" >> LC_COLLATE=3D"C" >> LC_CTYPE=3D"C" >> LC_MESSAGES=3D"C" >> LC_MONETARY=3D"C" >> LC_NUMERIC=3D"C" >> LC_TIME=3D"C" >> LC_ALL=3D >> >> That can't be right, or is it? >> >> The same, one commit before that: >> >> $ locale >> LANG=3D"en_DE.UTF-8" >> LC_COLLATE=3D"C" >> LC_CTYPE=3D"C" >> LC_MESSAGES=3D"C" >> LC_MONETARY=3D"C" >> LC_NUMERIC=3D"C" >> LC_TIME=3D"C" >> LC_ALL=3D >> >> At least LANG looks correct to me (I'm using an English UI, in DE.). >> The LC_* are odd, though. > > Emacs forces LC_ALL=3D and LC_NUMERIC=3DC, to properly localize the > initial error messages and format numbers as in the "C" locale, see > 'main' (which also has an NS-specific code). Thanks for the hint, Eli. I've meanwhile found out something. Not yet sure what to make of this, but anyway: 1. In ns_init_locale, [locale localeIdentifier] returns "en_DE" on my system, which is, I think, a consequence of my system settings, as I mentioned (English UI in Germany). 2. man setlocale(3) says this An argument of "" will determine the name of the new locale taking into account the environme= nt variables LANG and LC_*. So, the setlocale (LC_ALL, "") in main should initialize LC_* according to LANG, if set. (Another question might be if that is what was intended here, when I read the comment above that code, but be that as it may.) And another thing - any setlocale in ns_init_locale is moot because it will be undone in main. 4. When I setenv LANG=3D"en_DE.UTF-8" in ns_init_locale, the setlocale (LC_ALL, "") returns NULL, indicating that LANG is invalid. And, indeed $ locale -a | grep de de_CH de_DE.UTF-8 de_AT.ISO8859-1 de_AT.UTF-8 de_AT.ISO8859-15 de_DE.ISO8859-15 de_CH.UTF-8 de_CH.ISO8859-15 de_DE.ISO8859-1 de_CH.ISO8859-1 de_AT de_DE There is no en_DE... 5. When I don't use localeIndentifier, but "en_US.UTF-8", for instance, the setlocale (LC_ALL, "") in main works like expected, and in a shell buffer: $ ~/emacs/master/src/ > locale LANG=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_CTYPE=3D"UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME=3D"en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL=3D That's all not very nice :-). Conclusion so far, for me, - don't selocale in ns_init_locale, only setenv LANG, or set LC_CTYPE, maybe. - localeIndentifier is wrong for mixed cases like "en_DE".