* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
@ 2011-12-01 19:08 Dave Abrahams
2011-12-02 8:56 ` martin rudalics
2022-05-20 13:22 ` bug#10186: Change the default for 🐶’s sake! Dave Abrahams
0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Abrahams @ 2011-12-01 19:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 10186
`M-x save-some-buffers' offers to let me review my files (or their
diffs) before saving them with, but very often the window I'm given in
which to do the review is pitifully small and really inadequate. Not
only that, but there's basically no way (at least none that I can find)
to scroll the window and reveal useful information. Something should be
done to make those review windows more useful.
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Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-01 19:08 bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Dave Abrahams
@ 2011-12-02 8:56 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-02 10:31 ` Dave Abrahams
2022-05-20 13:22 ` bug#10186: Change the default for 🐶’s sake! Dave Abrahams
1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2011-12-02 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Abrahams; +Cc: 10186
> `M-x save-some-buffers' offers to let me review my files (or their
> diffs) before saving them with, but very often the window I'm given in
> which to do the review is pitifully small and really inadequate.
The window has the size provided by `display-buffer'. What are your
values of `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'?
> Not
> only that, but there's basically no way (at least none that I can find)
> to scroll the window and reveal useful information.
Setting `enable-recursive-minibuffers' to a non-nil value should allow
to do that.
martin
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-02 8:56 ` martin rudalics
@ 2011-12-02 10:31 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-12-02 13:56 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Abrahams @ 2011-12-02 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: 10186
on Fri Dec 02 2011, martin rudalics <rudalics-AT-gmx.at> wrote:
>> `M-x save-some-buffers' offers to let me review my files (or their
>> diffs) before saving them with, but very often the window I'm given in
>> which to do the review is pitifully small and really inadequate.
>
> The window has the size provided by `display-buffer'. What are your
> values of `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'?
nil and 160, respectively.
>> Not only that, but there's basically no way (at least none that I can
>> find) to scroll the window and reveal useful information.
>
> Setting `enable-recursive-minibuffers' to a non-nil value should allow
> to do that.
I've always been leery of doing that, just because I figured it's
disabled-by-default for a reason, but I will try it. That said, doing
something that's considered "unsafe for novices" shouldn't be required
in order to make something so basic as save-some-buffers work, should
it?
--
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-02 10:31 ` Dave Abrahams
@ 2011-12-02 13:56 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-02 14:34 ` Dave Abrahams
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2011-12-02 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Abrahams; +Cc: 10186
>> The window has the size provided by `display-buffer'. What are your
>> values of `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'?
>
> nil
This means that you get a two-windows frame and your window is still too
small? In this case I would suggest popping up a frame instead.
> and 160, respectively.
>> Setting `enable-recursive-minibuffers' to a non-nil value should allow
>> to do that.
>
> I've always been leery of doing that, just because I figured it's
> disabled-by-default for a reason, but I will try it. That said, doing
> something that's considered "unsafe for novices" shouldn't be required
> in order to make something so basic as save-some-buffers work, should
> it?
Doesn't C-M-v work with the default `display-buffer' approach?
martin
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-02 13:56 ` martin rudalics
@ 2011-12-02 14:34 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-12-02 16:20 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Abrahams @ 2011-12-02 14:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: 10186
on Fri Dec 02 2011, martin rudalics <rudalics-AT-gmx.at> wrote:
>>> The window has the size provided by `display-buffer'. What are your
>>> values of `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'?
>>
>> nil
>
> This means that you get a two-windows frame and your window is still too
> small? In this case I would suggest popping up a frame instead.
No, my frame is huge. The problem is that it is already divided up,
including a small window that sometimes/often gets chosen by Emacs for
display-buffer.
>> and 160, respectively.
>
>>> Setting `enable-recursive-minibuffers' to a non-nil value should allow
>>> to do that.
>>
>> I've always been leery of doing that, just because I figured it's
>> disabled-by-default for a reason, but I will try it. That said, doing
>> something that's considered "unsafe for novices" shouldn't be required
>> in order to make something so basic as save-some-buffers work, should
>> it?
>
> Doesn't C-M-v work with the default `display-buffer' approach?
I don't know; I've never tried it. I don't often try to do anything to
a window other than the current one without leaving it. I'm a fairly
experienced Emacs user; it seems to me that if I was stumped by this
there must be a problem.
--
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-02 14:34 ` Dave Abrahams
@ 2011-12-02 16:20 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-07 16:51 ` Juri Linkov
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From: martin rudalics @ 2011-12-02 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Abrahams; +Cc: 10186
> No, my frame is huge. The problem is that it is already divided up,
> including a small window that sometimes/often gets chosen by Emacs for
> display-buffer.
This happens because `display-buffer-use-some-window' tries the least
recently used window first. If that window happens to be small ...
In any case this sounds like a more general problem with your setup so
maybe something like the following would help
(defun make-small-windows-softly-dedicated ()
(walk-window-tree
(lambda (window)
(cond
((and (> (window-total-size window) 10)
(eq (window-dedicated-p window) 'too-small))
(set-window-dedicated-p window nil))
((and (<= (window-total-size window) 10)
(not (window-dedicated-p window)))
(set-window-dedicated-p window 'too-small))))))
(add-hook 'window-configuration-change-hook 'make-small-windows-softly-dedicated)
replacing the "10" by a value of your choice.
martin
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-02 16:20 ` martin rudalics
@ 2011-12-07 16:51 ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-07 17:08 ` Drew Adams
2022-04-21 13:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-12-23 16:02 ` Dave Abrahams
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2011-12-07 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: Dave Abrahams, 10186
>> No, my frame is huge. The problem is that it is already divided up,
>> including a small window that sometimes/often gets chosen by Emacs for
>> display-buffer.
>
> This happens because `display-buffer-use-some-window' tries the least
> recently used window first. If that window happens to be small ...
>
> In any case this sounds like a more general problem with your setup so
> maybe something like the following would help
This is a more general problem for many users. It was discussed
in bug#10040 (also mentioned in bug#3419). I think there should a rule
for display-buffer to skip small windows.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-07 16:51 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2011-12-07 17:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-12-07 19:54 ` Juri Linkov
2022-04-21 13:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2011-12-07 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Juri Linkov', 'martin rudalics'
Cc: 'Dave Abrahams', 10186
> I think there should a rule for display-buffer to skip small windows.
Apologies for not following this thread. But what would be the definition of a
"small window"? And what if the buffer content itself is "small"?
A priori, this doesn't sound like such a great idea. Seems like it would be
prone to DWIM blindness.
Just a caveat from ignorance. Don't let it stop you from proposing something
concrete.
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-07 17:08 ` Drew Adams
@ 2011-12-07 19:54 ` Juri Linkov
0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2011-12-07 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 'Dave Abrahams', 10186
>> I think there should a rule for display-buffer to skip small windows.
>
> Apologies for not following this thread. But what would be the definition of a
> "small window"? And what if the buffer content itself is "small"?
In `make-small-windows-softly-dedicated', Martin used the constant 10
to define the minimal size of a "small window".
Incidentally, this is the same number as the default value of
`window-min-width'. But the default value of `window-min-height' is 4
that is smaller for a reasonable size of a "small window".
So maybe as there are already `window-safe-min-height' and
`window-safe-min-width', we could add new options like
`window-comfortable-min-height' and `window-comfortable-min-width'.
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-02 16:20 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-07 16:51 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2011-12-23 16:02 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-12-23 16:33 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-23 16:05 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-12-27 17:48 ` Dave Abrahams
3 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Abrahams @ 2011-12-23 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: 10186
on Fri Dec 02 2011, martin rudalics <rudalics-AT-gmx.at> wrote:
> In any case this sounds like a more general problem with your setup so
> maybe something like the following would help
Hi martin,
Thanks, I'll analyze your code and try this... but I still don't
understand: what about this problem is specific to my setup?
--
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-02 16:20 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-07 16:51 ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-23 16:02 ` Dave Abrahams
@ 2011-12-23 16:05 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-12-23 16:33 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-27 17:48 ` Dave Abrahams
3 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Abrahams @ 2011-12-23 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: 10186
Oh... that isn't going to work for me until I upgrade to Emacs24 (I
don't have window-total-size).
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-23 16:02 ` Dave Abrahams
@ 2011-12-23 16:33 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-23 21:11 ` Juri Linkov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2011-12-23 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Abrahams; +Cc: 10186
> ... but I still don't
> understand: what about this problem is specific to my setup?
Nothing, actually. What I wanted to say is that working with small
windows runs the risk that `display-buffer' will reuse such a window.
As Juri said we should be able to customize this. But I don't like the
idea of a global variable and I don't think that using the ALIST
argument for this purpose is feasible either. It's something I planned
to solve with the help of specifiers once ...
martin
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-23 16:05 ` Dave Abrahams
@ 2011-12-23 16:33 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2011-12-23 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Abrahams; +Cc: 10186
> Oh... that isn't going to work for me until I upgrade to Emacs24 (I
> don't have window-total-size).
Try the below then. It's more expensive since constructing the window
list means one cons cell for each live window on the changed frame.
martin
(defun make-small-windows-softly-dedicated ()
(dolist (window (window-list nil 'nomini))
(cond
((and (> (window-height window) 10)
(eq (window-dedicated-p window) 'too-small))
(set-window-dedicated-p window nil))
((and (<= (window-height window) 10)
(not (window-dedicated-p window)))
(set-window-dedicated-p window 'too-small)))))
(add-hook 'window-configuration-change-hook 'make-small-windows-softly-dedicated)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-23 16:33 ` martin rudalics
@ 2011-12-23 21:11 ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-24 9:26 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2011-12-23 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: Dave Abrahams, 10186
> As Juri said we should be able to customize this. But I don't like the
> idea of a global variable and I don't think that using the ALIST
> argument for this purpose is feasible either. It's something I planned
> to solve with the help of specifiers once ...
I'm just curious do you plan to use display specifiers or window parameters?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-23 21:11 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2011-12-24 9:26 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-24 18:50 ` Juri Linkov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2011-12-24 9:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Dave Abrahams, 10186
>> As Juri said we should be able to customize this. But I don't like the
>> idea of a global variable and I don't think that using the ALIST
>> argument for this purpose is feasible either. It's something I planned
>> to solve with the help of specifiers once ...
>
> I'm just curious do you plan to use display specifiers or window parameters?
Display specifiers make sense only if you can merge them and people
didn't like the idea of merging. The problem is that for certain
buffers creating or reusing a small window might make sense while for
other buffers it doesn't.
Dave, for example, apparently does use small windows since otherwise
`display-buffer' couldn't reuse them. But he doesn't want
`save-some-buffers' reuse his small windows. So a global variable is
hardly useful here and we probably have to use the ALIST argument of
`display-buffer'.
Window parameters OTOH are currently not customizable. We could give a
window a `display-buffer-no-reuse' (which would be equivalent to setting
the dedicatedness of that window to something non-nil-t) or
`display-buffer-no-split' parameter. Again we needed some means to
specify this via the ALIST argument.
martin
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-24 9:26 ` martin rudalics
@ 2011-12-24 18:50 ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-24 19:30 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-12-25 10:51 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2011-12-24 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: Dave Abrahams, 10186
> Again we needed some means to specify this via the ALIST argument.
In the same way as we can specify a display action like
(nil (inhibit-same-window . t))
we could add a new ALIST specifier like
(nil (inhibit-small-window . t))
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-24 18:50 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2011-12-24 19:30 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-12-25 10:51 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Abrahams @ 2011-12-24 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: 10186
on Sat Dec 24 2011, Juri Linkov <juri-AT-jurta.org> wrote:
>> Again we needed some means to specify this via the ALIST argument.
>
> In the same way as we can specify a display action like
>
> (nil (inhibit-same-window . t))
>
> we could add a new ALIST specifier like
>
> (nil (inhibit-small-window . t))
IMO it would always be better to err on the side of larger windows by
default if the buffer content doesn't fit entirely in a smaller one.
That is, I'd rather see "inhibit-large-window" if and when it becomes
necessary.
--
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-24 18:50 ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-24 19:30 ` Dave Abrahams
@ 2011-12-25 10:51 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2011-12-25 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Dave Abrahams, 10186
>> Again we needed some means to specify this via the ALIST argument.
> In the same way as we can specify a display action like
> (nil (inhibit-same-window . t))
> we could add a new ALIST specifier like
> (nil (inhibit-small-window . t))
I think it makes a lot more sense to consider that inhibit-small-window
is true by default. Or, ot put it more explicitly, I think that the
solution is to let the user specify that his small windows are
dedicated, along the lines of Martin's
make-small-windows-softly-dedicated (tho it's be better to put this info
in display-buffer-alist, so that windows don't get marked as dedicated
just because some resize temporarily made them small, for example).
Stefan
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-02 16:20 ` martin rudalics
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2011-12-23 16:05 ` Dave Abrahams
@ 2011-12-27 17:48 ` Dave Abrahams
3 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Abrahams @ 2011-12-27 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: 10186
on Fri Dec 02 2011, martin rudalics <rudalics-AT-gmx.at> wrote:
>> No, my frame is huge. The problem is that it is already divided up,
>> including a small window that sometimes/often gets chosen by Emacs for
>> display-buffer.
>
> This happens because `display-buffer-use-some-window' tries the least
> recently used window first. If that window happens to be small ...
>
> In any case this sounds like a more general problem with your setup so
> maybe something like the following would help
>
> (defun make-small-windows-softly-dedicated ()
> (walk-window-tree
> (lambda (window)
> (cond
> ((and (> (window-total-size window) 10)
> (eq (window-dedicated-p window) 'too-small))
> (set-window-dedicated-p window nil))
> ((and (<= (window-total-size window) 10)
> (not (window-dedicated-p window)))
> (set-window-dedicated-p window 'too-small))))))
>
> (add-hook 'window-configuration-change-hook 'make-small-windows-softly-dedicated)
>
> replacing the "10" by a value of your choice.
Thanks; I've been using your trick for a few days and it seems to be
working out; at least, I have not had much to complain about.
--
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2011-12-07 16:51 ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-07 17:08 ` Drew Adams
@ 2022-04-21 13:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-20 10:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-04-21 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Dave Abrahams, 10186
Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org> writes:
> This is a more general problem for many users. It was discussed
> in bug#10040 (also mentioned in bug#3419). I think there should a rule
> for display-buffer to skip small windows.
Martin then posted a function to make small windows softly dedicated,
which fixes the problem.
This was ten years ago, though -- has Emacs in the meantime grown a
simpler way to avoid having very small windows chosen for display?
Because I think that would be very useful.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough
2022-04-21 13:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-05-20 10:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-05-20 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Dave Abrahams, martin rudalics, 10186
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> This was ten years ago, though -- has Emacs in the meantime grown a
> simpler way to avoid having very small windows chosen for display?
> Because I think that would be very useful.
There wasn't, so I've now added 'display-buffer-avoid-small-windows'.
I've defaulted it to nil, but I guess it's debatable whether this should
default to, say, 5, to avoid these oddities by default.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#10186: Change the default for 🐶’s sake!
2011-12-01 19:08 bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Dave Abrahams
2011-12-02 8:56 ` martin rudalics
@ 2022-05-20 13:22 ` Dave Abrahams
2022-05-20 13:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Abrahams @ 2022-05-20 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 10186
Another 10 years of user confusion as they fail to discover this setting?
Sent from my iPhone
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* bug#10186: Change the default for 🐶’s sake!
2022-05-20 13:22 ` bug#10186: Change the default for 🐶’s sake! Dave Abrahams
@ 2022-05-20 13:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-05-20 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Abrahams; +Cc: 10186
Dave Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com> writes:
> Another 10 years of user confusion as they fail to discover this setting?
That's a point, but changing how these window selection functions work
is notoriously ticklish, because people have the most outlandishly
complicated setups, and any change in the defaults pisses people off.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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