* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
@ 2016-02-20 8:50 Adrian Robert
2016-02-20 12:58 ` Anders Lindgren
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Adrian Robert @ 2016-02-20 8:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 22746
The visual bell on OS X used to be a large square popped up in the middle of
the screen, which was easy to see. Now it is a very small warning icon, and I
often miss it. Would it be possible to make the warning icon the same size as
the square was, or if the icon can only be rendered at that size, provide an
option for the old square?
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-02-20 8:50 bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see Adrian Robert
@ 2016-02-20 12:58 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-02-20 15:18 ` Xu Xin
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Anders Lindgren @ 2016-02-20 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: adrian.b.robert, 22746
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Hi!
> The visual bell on OS X used to be a large square popped up in the middle
of
> the screen, which was easy to see. Now it is a very small warning icon,
and I
> often miss it. Would it be possible to make the warning icon the same
size as
> the square was, or if the icon can only be rendered at that size, provide
an
> option for the old square?
The old code didn't work on El Capitan -- there were some visual artifacts
left behind afterwards.
Since I didn't have access to a machine running El Capitan, I replaced the
code with something that work on all OS versions.
It might be possible to increase the size -- however, the symbol is a
built-in image so there is a risk that an enlarged version will be
pixelated.
I'm open to other solutions to this. Unfortunately, I don't have the time
to work on it myself anymore.
-- Anders
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2016-02-20 12:58 ` Anders Lindgren
@ 2016-02-20 15:18 ` Xu Xin
2016-03-08 23:17 ` John Wiegley
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Xu Xin @ 2016-02-20 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Anders Lindgren; +Cc: adrian.b.robert, 22746
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Anders Lindgren <andlind@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> The visual bell on OS X used to be a large square popped up in the middle
>> of
>> the screen, which was easy to see. Now it is a very small warning icon,
>> and I
>> often miss it. Would it be possible to make the warning icon the same
>> size as
>> the square was, or if the icon can only be rendered at that size, provide
>> an
>> option for the old square?
>
> The old code didn't work on El Capitan -- there were some visual artifacts
> left behind afterwards.
>
> Since I didn't have access to a machine running El Capitan, I replaced the
> code with something that work on all OS versions.
>
> It might be possible to increase the size -- however, the symbol is a
> built-in image so there is a risk that an enlarged version will be
> pixelated.
>
> I'm open to other solutions to this. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to
> work on it myself anymore.
>
> -- Anders
>
Emacs mac port has the option to flash the top line and mini buffer as
visible bell, can we introduce this feature to Nextstep port?
- Xin
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-02-20 15:18 ` Xu Xin
@ 2016-03-08 23:17 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-08 9:15 ` Alan Third
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: John Wiegley @ 2016-03-08 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Xu Xin; +Cc: adrian.b.robert, Anders Lindgren, 22746
>>>>> Xu Xin <railwaycat@gmail.com> writes:
> Emacs mac port has the option to flash the top line and mini buffer as
> visible bell, can we introduce this feature to Nextstep port?
I'd like this too, although now that the visual bell icon is bigger, it's been
working for me.
--
John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-03-08 23:17 ` John Wiegley
@ 2016-05-08 9:15 ` Alan Third
2016-05-11 18:20 ` John Wiegley
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Alan Third @ 2016-05-08 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Wiegley
Cc: Xu Xin, adrian.b.robert, 22746, Anders Lindgren, John Wiegley
John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> Xu Xin <railwaycat@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Emacs mac port has the option to flash the top line and mini buffer as
>> visible bell, can we introduce this feature to Nextstep port?
>
> I'd like this too, although now that the visual bell icon is bigger, it's been
> working for me.
What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines flashing
or flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
--
Alan Third
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-05-08 9:15 ` Alan Third
@ 2016-05-11 18:20 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-12 19:17 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: John Wiegley @ 2016-05-11 18:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alan Third; +Cc: Xu Xin, adrian.b.robert, 22746, Anders Lindgren
>>>>> Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> writes:
> What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines flashing or
> flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a defcustom
to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some alerting function
(which in future would allow for connecting with alert.el).
--
John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-05-11 18:20 ` John Wiegley
@ 2016-05-12 19:17 ` Drew Adams
2016-05-13 15:41 ` Alan Third
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2016-05-12 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Wiegley, Alan Third; +Cc: Xu Xin, adrian.b.robert, 22746, Anders Lindgren
> > What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines flashing or
> > flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
>
> Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a
> defcustom to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some
> alerting function (which in future would allow for connecting with alert.el).
+1. And not just for OS X.
It could also incorporate what echo-bell.el does, or similar,
as one of the option values.
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/echo-bell.el
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-05-12 19:17 ` Drew Adams
@ 2016-05-13 15:41 ` Alan Third
2016-05-13 15:45 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Alan Third @ 2016-05-13 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Xu Xin, John Wiegley, adrian.b.robert, 22746, Anders Lindgren
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:17:15PM -0700, Drew Adams wrote:
> > > What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines flashing or
> > > flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
> >
> > Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a
> > defcustom to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some
> > alerting function (which in future would allow for connecting with alert.el).
>
> +1. And not just for OS X.
>
> It could also incorporate what echo-bell.el does, or similar,
> as one of the option values.
Am I right in thinking that this would just require exposing the bell
functions to Emacs lisp, and then providing a simple way to set
ring-bell-function? Or have I misunderstood?
--
Alan Third
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-05-13 15:41 ` Alan Third
@ 2016-05-13 15:45 ` Drew Adams
2016-05-13 16:03 ` Alan Third
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2016-05-13 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alan Third; +Cc: Xu Xin, John Wiegley, adrian.b.robert, 22746, Anders Lindgren
> > > > What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines
> flashing or
> > > > flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
> > >
> > > Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a
> > > defcustom to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some
> > > alerting function (which in future would allow for connecting with
> alert.el).
> >
> > +1. And not just for OS X.
> >
> > It could also incorporate what echo-bell.el does, or similar,
> > as one of the option values.
>
> Am I right in thinking that this would just require exposing the bell
> functions to Emacs lisp, and then providing a simple way to set
> ring-bell-function? Or have I misunderstood?
Are you asking me? I only suggested perhaps incorporating something
like what echo-bell does, as one of the possible visual-bell behaviors
for the defcustom.
There already is an easy way to set `ring-bell-function', so I'm really
not sure what you are asking.
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-05-13 15:45 ` Drew Adams
@ 2016-05-13 16:03 ` Alan Third
2016-05-13 16:39 ` John Wiegley
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Alan Third @ 2016-05-13 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Xu Xin, John Wiegley, adrian.b.robert, 22746, Anders Lindgren
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 08:45:43AM -0700, Drew Adams wrote:
> > > > > What would be the ideal visible bell? The top and bottom lines
> > flashing or
> > > > > flashing the entire window, or do people like the warning icon?
> > > >
> > > > Personally I'd prefer top and bottom lines. Every better: give me a
> > > > defcustom to decide between icon, top/bottom, whole screen, or some
> > > > alerting function (which in future would allow for connecting with
> > alert.el).
> > >
> > > +1. And not just for OS X.
> > >
> > > It could also incorporate what echo-bell.el does, or similar,
> > > as one of the option values.
> >
> > Am I right in thinking that this would just require exposing the bell
> > functions to Emacs lisp, and then providing a simple way to set
> > ring-bell-function? Or have I misunderstood?
>
> Are you asking me?
Sorry, I probably should have responded directly to John.
> There already is an easy way to set `ring-bell-function', so I'm really
> not sure what you are asking.
This is why I'm not sure why John's asking for a way to tie in an
alerting function. It's already there.
--
Alan Third
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-05-13 16:03 ` Alan Third
@ 2016-05-13 16:39 ` John Wiegley
2016-08-02 22:00 ` Toon Claes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: John Wiegley @ 2016-05-13 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alan Third; +Cc: Xu Xin, adrian.b.robert, 22746, Anders Lindgren
>>>>> Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> writes:
>> There already is an easy way to set `ring-bell-function', so I'm really not
>> sure what you are asking.
> This is why I'm not sure why John's asking for a way to tie in an alerting
> function. It's already there.
Sorry, I just didn't know about it. :)
--
John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2
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* bug#22746: 25.0.90; OS X: Visual bell hard to see
2016-05-13 16:39 ` John Wiegley
@ 2016-08-02 22:00 ` Toon Claes
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Toon Claes @ 2016-08-02 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Wiegley; +Cc: Alan Third, 22746, Xu Xin, adrian.b.robert, Anders Lindgren
John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:
> Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> writes:
>
>>> There already is an easy way to set `ring-bell-function', so I'm really not
>>> sure what you are asking.
>
> Sorry, I just didn't know about it. :)
So, do we keep the current behavior and rely on third-party packages
like echo-bell.el to customize the behavior?
Or, if we should chose to customize built-in the behavior, maybe a few more
settings should be considered:
- Duration: Compared to echo-bell-mode, the default warning sign is
shown way too long. A configurable duration would be nice.
- Image: Maybe people also would like to specify the image shown as
visible bell (e.g. Pikachu: https://twitter.com/ErgoEmacs/status/759546738306748416/photo/1 )
TBH, I suggest to keep the current behavior and let user to set
`ring-bell-function' if they like something different.
Regards,
Toon
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