From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rudolf =?UTF-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56251: Make obsoletion info more prominent in *Help* buffer Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 21:24:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Rudolf =?UTF-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29660"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Stefan Kangas , 56251@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 29 21:25:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o6dJZ-0007Z6-AQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 21:25:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54300 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6dJY-000226-8i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:25:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35316) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6dJ9-00021m-0Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6dJ8-0002fA-Nm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6dJ8-0002lO-IJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:25:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Rudolf =?UTF-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 19:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56251 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 56251-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56251.165653066810568 (code B ref 56251); Wed, 29 Jun 2022 19:25:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2022 19:24:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6dIa-0002kO-2Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: from pv50p00im-zteg10021301.me.com ([17.58.6.46]:52014) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6dIV-0002k6-JF for 56251@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:24:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=1a1hai; t=1656530657; bh=uzZ0HtNgieQDqlFnYTEjQeR8f2EF7w14vPNBUXB3slA=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FwXGn/6zJViB1ortemMht1ybP6UYPNCYelTpGwJJ83QwtYlNdbnkXXbPMq5c0N8EV bqhLVIx+c3i98ntG6OR7Az+O5h4XgigfquglLlqaAkaQ1bEBQtxpW5bC8ZIo7XTnA6 cg2w/peb2KI8L925bMiGlbHlOqZqZr6I5W5SwBJxjDRw4s/94KwG/smxVMuqNcFU/I +J2MTM5jg+1yP75OhQ7UIMT3fEKz67JA8kSw2JVDMXQcIOHshQlPQiJfTipVhJ7ihs l83zLb5/QyOys5Qm/MRfb8qUK0TLbcpKRewI7jgDRSYO8qBhqD8KDYYgcqfLW2oevs fmGBTSQ5bmxDQ== Original-Received: from Rudolfs-MacBook-Air.local (pv50p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.56.9.10]) by pv50p00im-zteg10021301.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 671F050009D; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 19:24:16 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Proofpoint-GUID: GS7xP8LsDZv5SVARrcq8Xi7f1hO5Sr6z X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: GS7xP8LsDZv5SVARrcq8Xi7f1hO5Sr6z X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc2903e8d5c8f:6.0.517, 18.0.883, 17.0.605.474.0000000 definitions=2022-06-21_08:2022-06-21_01, 2022-06-21_08, 2020-01-23_02 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=965 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2206290068 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:235667 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > However, I find that the obsoletion warning is easy to miss. +1 As a user, I missed it multiple times. I would expect deprecation warnings to show first. Otherwise, the user might spend their time learning about something just to discover, at the very end, that they should learn about and use something else. That does not make much sense. P.S. The *Help* buffer could use more typography and color affordances. In this case, I would expect strike-through on the symbol name, or the word "deprecated" displayed in red, or something else. R+ --=20 "Be especially critical of any statement following the word 'obviously.'" -- Anna Pell Wheeler, 1883-1966 Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D [he/him] Studenohorsk=C3=A1 25 84103 Bratislava Slovakia