From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: 75275@debbugs.gnu.org, Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
Subject: bug#75275: 30.0.92; `make-thread` bug on macOS 15.2
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2025 08:12:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2a5c9k7um.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmngL341puTY7EpLVKf0e2Avcri0QWqVwAS5oHuFBhShQ@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 2 Jan 2025 00:47:06 -0600")
Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
>> Curious question: Do you see a beach ball?
>
> Yes, I do see a beach ball. It takes a second or so to show up, which I
> guess is expected.
Then it's the other category of freezes I see with NS, and not
bug#72496. Which doesn't mean the cause might not be the same, in some
way.
>
>>> When I kill the process in the lldb window with Ctrl+C, I can get the
>>> following (this is on emacs-30):
>>>
>>> frame #12: 0x0000000100403fec emacs`-[EmacsApp
>>> run](self=0x0000000156610fe0, _cmd="run") at nsterm.m:5938:7
>>> frame #13: 0x00000001004024b0 emacs`ns_select_1(nfds=0,
>>> readfds=0x00000001708c26bc, writefds=0x00000001708c263c,
>>> exceptfds=0x0000000000000000, timeout=0x00000001708c2610,
>>> sigmask=0x0000000000000000, run_loop_only=NO) at nsterm.m:4954:3
>>> frame #14: 0x000000010040202c emacs`ns_select(nfds=0,
>>> readfds=0x00000001708c26bc, writefds=0x00000001708c263c,
>>> exceptfds=0x0000000000000000, timeout=0x00000001708c2610,
>>> sigmask=0x0000000000000000) at nsterm.m:5006:10
>>
>> I'm asking because of bug#72496. The part of the backtrace above reminds
>> me a bit of what I trued to describe in that bug: EmacsApp.run never
>> returning to ns_select_1. Can you see if it ever returns?
>
> After recompiling with NSTRACE_ENABLED, and based on reading at the
> terminal output, it seems like it does not return to ns_select_1 after
> the first line that reads
>
> nextEventMatchingMask should only be called from the Main Thread!
>
> Is there a better way to see if it returns to that function?
I think it doesn't matter for this bug. The curious thing about 72496 is
that EmacsApp.run apparently handles events so that no beach ball
appears, but Emacs doesn't get a chance to handle its events. It's as if
the Cocoa event handling decouples itself from Emacs. And that's because
it doesn't return to ns_select_1. Anyway, different construction site
apparently.
I have something in my notes which might or might not help:
* Breakpoint for errors displayed by macOS on stderr
Set a breakpoint on CGPostError to find sources of errors.
#+begin_src sh
To find out from where macOS prints stuff to stderr, like
023-07-20 13:41:17.073449+0200 emacs[53072:1205906] [default]
CGSWindowShmemCreateWithPort failed on port 0
b _os_log_error_impl
b _os_log_impl
b _os_log_debug_impl
b _os_log_fault_impl
#+end_src
If on of these breakpoints is hit when the error is displayed, we could
perhaps see why ns_select_1 calls EmacsApp.run. In my understanding, it
shouldn't because Cocoa event handling should only be done in the main
thread.
If the breakpoints are not hit, we could instrument ns_select_1 to call
an empty function do_break on which we could set a breakpoint.
if (![NSThread isMainThread])
do_break ();
[NSApp run];
Or something like that. The question would be what in the code above the
[NSApp run] is wrong so that we land here. Probably some if condition.
CC to Alan Third.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-02 7:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-02 4:57 bug#75275: 30.0.92; `make-thread` bug on macOS 15.2 Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 5:46 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 5:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 6:47 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 7:12 ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2025-01-02 14:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 14:38 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:45 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 16:06 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:47 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:09 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:42 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 17:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:37 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 17:46 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:52 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 19:26 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 19:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 7:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 7:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 8:33 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 8:41 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 11:03 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 13:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 13:53 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 14:03 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:17 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 15:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:55 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:08 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 8:51 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 7:31 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 8:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:31 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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