From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carlos Pita Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51196: 29.0.50; python.el eldoc problems Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 20:42:53 -0300 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21287"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 51196@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 14 01:44:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1manuu-0005ML-Cp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 01:44:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59600 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1manut-000096-B9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Carloss-MacBook-Pro.local ([186.136.138.53]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f26sm646053uaq.11.2021.10.13.16.42.56 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::933; envelope-from=carlosjosepita2@gmail.com; helo=mail-ua1-x933.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217188 Archived-At: Hi all, there are a number of issues with eldoc support in python.el, as in many areas in which this module tries IMHO to be too smart. At the core of these problems is the fact that eldoc will block if the underlying python process is not idle at the moment of the call. Seemingly some mechanisms are in place to prevent this but they are inconsistent, dangerous, inconvenient and complex: - Inconsistent: the "auto doc" in the echo area feature (i.e. python-eldoc-function) times out after python-eldoc-function-timout, but the manually triggered (C-c C-f, python-eldoc-at-point) will block emacs... - Dangerous: ...until either the underlying process becomes idle again or the user aborts python-eldoc-at-point, for example by pressing C-g, which also aborts the action going on in the underlying process. So the user is faced with the choice between being able to use emacs or complete the real job that supposedly emacs is facilitating. - Inconvenient: even in the case that does timeout (by default after 1 second) once it has timed out it won't try to show documentation again, except when the user had previously set python-eldoc-function-timeout-permanent to nil, in which case it will immediately reattempt one time after another, all this resulting in an extremely laggy experience. Alternatively, the user can laboriously set python-eldoc-get-doc to t in order to resume the "auto doc" feature. - Complex: see my previous three points. I've expressed this opinion before regarding the autocompletion mechanism, which shows similar shortcomings, I believe that the best options are: - Have a sane, solid and simple python.el with good syntax highlighting, movements commands, folding, etc. and leave the cleverness to elpy, lsp-mode, eglot, emacs-jupyter or whatever. - If we still want some basic autocompletion and documentation features in this module, then let's do it right and open a thread in the underlying process and talk to it, avoiding the flaky and dangerous mechanism of pretending that emacs is the user typing. That said, I'm not against keeping a very simple "send region to REPL" thing, because in this case a blocking behavior is to be expected and there is little magic going on. Best regards, Carlos --- In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin20.6.0, NS appkit-2022.60 Version 11.6 (Build 20G165)) of 2021-10-07 built on Carloss-MacBook-Pro.local Repository revision: d2611920685ca415a1d85ffb9567b968518028d6 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2022 System Description: macOS 11.6 Configured using: 'configure --without-native-compilation' Configured features: ACL DBUS GLIB GMP GNUTLS JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS XIM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Python Minor modes in effect: treemacs-icons-dired-mode: t treemacs-filewatch-mode: t treemacs-follow-mode: t treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t global-hl-todo-mode: t hl-todo-mode: t recentf-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t company-box-mode: t outline-minor-mode: t display-line-numbers-mode: t ivy-mode: t global-company-mode: t 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