From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eshel Yaron via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#72787: 31.0.50; Invalid describe-function completion candidates Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:18:49 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87le0m5fzc.fsf@protonmail.com> <87o75gvz5l.fsf@web.de> <86y14daugk.fsf@gnu.org> <86ed639ruw.fsf@gnu.org> <86cyk831qz.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eshel Yaron Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37952"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, pipcet@protonmail.com, Arash Esbati , 72787@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 11 11:19:59 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1szBoV-0009hn-9n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:19:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1szBoO-0004Xs-FH; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:19:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1szBoM-0004Xg-B7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:19:50 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1szBoM-0002OY-2Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:19:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=debbugs.gnu.org; s=debbugs-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From:To:Subject; bh=lJWNnc+qxYLQaQj0/UgdNO01RZ/fGU+VEZKHCavgcpU=; b=ZptvgP0Q4CNHB81YX6ar4jzw1OQOgb5DaiHQCDsw6Uy/U35GHglKZZ78qKRQZ0BZnbGlTBKUynUIhg/71ncsvpZCCXEIuUDohr7L10JbU2y+f6ssRLVNh99on7bShtG/5Q+5Xfiax/w4paqkmyZ02jBZX4SUkKwn1Pi5ILSmzE/3iYaSfpxrsEIH6kZWTsNNXxdhd2vztAR7ik38irypMHI7eZnp9gBDcKehUBcN3CfquNgCyhegxIZ3flaNbUgx5+CYzJ595hwQEJ4ywMd3HBTAKw1zy7kOfS01PQxWVVSiuqXgvuYL/2VGZ4+EBQO4uNp4T4gPCkmmcy7TVdyPjw==; Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1szBoY-0005wm-Hm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:20:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eshel Yaron Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 09:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 72787 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 72787-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B72787.172863834822782 (code B ref 72787); Fri, 11 Oct 2024 09:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 72787) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2024 09:19:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1szBng-0005vO-15 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:19:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.eshelyaron.com ([107.175.124.16]:37436 helo=eshelyaron.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1szBnc-0005vF-Lh for 72787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:19:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=eshelyaron.com; s=mail; t=1728638331; bh=bR1JN+SSrUfZbYIvAOoUKGd5eFbdmVCOcUibg9/Oteo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=JuPMHRx8TFWKULjZQ/ffeaMd5ppvilKhIN0SVj0mIuqi3T2vhOWOY2HIQVQ2rUL2s vrIzbcwuhAebUem80roGFwS6tjyl0fitCGZRg6tEImHSnm1yFPdHNvDyTeU9KlYPxb MLCg+M227Qjru7RVo9MxEJGHF3j45NYpemDgmtdn+PIDCl5w9+MK/fAavBWgqAduC0 7hrSKWVYcf5QUiPV8BL1sQcKNy90VtY2u1DZWDj3SfJURvmSfyaR0ViPGZidGyhyvA qvqFcMzitkzlwWL91Dh6M4mw2zS8FINEadGNW+uGMa7bOVfG1IhUdaotmK5RRGKinJ 3WC6b3nyNjV9w== In-Reply-To: (Eshel Yaron's message of "Fri, 11 Oct 2024 08:34:04 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:293351 Archived-At: Eshel Yaron writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: Arash Esbati >>> >>> Is it possible to revert this change on master as well until a new >>> working patch is available? IIUC, Stefan noted upthread: >>> >>> I think this report makes it clear that >>> 45ae4de0e7ce99c88c62f940f605bca693b8e33f should not have gone to >>> `emacs-30` but to `master`. AFAIK it did not fix a regression or even >>> a user-visible bug. >>> >>> The current behavior is somewhat annoying. >> >> AFAIU, Stefan later explained that this is a feature, but maybe I >> misunderstood him. See >> >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=73473#16 > > AFAIU, the feature here would be loading library foo just in time for > you to get help about symbol foo-bar. But the way this feature is > currently implemented is by including incorrect completion candidates. > That's not a feature, that's an implementation artifact, which > unfortunately happens to create an unpleasant UX :/ > > So I suggest doing one of the following: > > - implement the feature differently, without this side-effect; or > - make it opt-in; or at least > - allow users to opt-out. Correction: I forgot that there's already a way to opt-out, by setting help-enable-completion-autoload to nil. Cheers, Eshel