From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Leo Liu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31772: 26.1; (thing-at-point 'list) regression Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 11:17:08 +0800 Message-ID: References: <838t7msmy1.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1r6acqo.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528686969 10461 195.159.176.226 (11 Jun 2018 03:16:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 03:16:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (macOS 10.12.6) Cc: Noam Postavsky , 31772@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Tino Calancha Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 11 05:16:04 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fSDJL-0002eH-Sh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Zeuss-MacBook-Air.local ([119.94.238.191]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n70-v6sm71528252pfh.140.2018.06.10.20.17.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoAgMAAADxkFD+AAAADFBMVEUvT09qWs3/pQD///+J kUVcAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMLOd3veKQA AACuSURBVBjTldE9CgIxEAXgB+lEyFUC2wo5ikdZ8DSypxhMY7H9VuIVwlqkGRgnm59VsHGafIQ3 CZlAtmKIRaHETgYa12lqvEsPYKf8wXHsPGfqPaUM0g9aJPKFXkmNQmSDqwzz4Fpgpz+6WAPY2z5o uPJJpu0uypcl4nyCibMLQ8lCiVjayLoQvw5LsVKQuHPRR958HZbOcVsKeepcLxpByjycGvnKmY+c MBvrtyjfe0vmuLvdq/kAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: <87k1r6acqo.fsf@gmail.com> (Tino Calancha's message of "Mon, 11 Jun 2018 00:21:35 +0900") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:147276 Archived-At: On 2018-06-11 00:21 +0900, Tino Calancha wrote: > Initially I thought that; after discuss with Emacs colleages > I changed my mine. > > If you are in a buffer in emacs-lisp-mode, I just see > one list of length 3 in the following line: > ("foo" "(bar)" "baz") > > "(bar)" is a string. I think you are solving the problem the wrong way. The original behaviour of (thing-at-point 'list) relied on up-list and is intuitive and sensible. After all who doesn't use up-list/down-list/kill-sexp etc. (thing-at-point 'list) is well-aligned with them simply by letting up-list do it. But the point is a decade-old function that is functional and used in people's init or packages are changed in drastically incompatible way. I noticed the issue only after upgrade to emacs 26.1 a few days ago and discovered https://github.com/leoliu/easy-kill/issues/28. *SIDE NOTE* One of the issues with Emacs development (I feel it more deeply after I changed to use stable releases), people (in most cases only 1 user) find some feature doesn't entirely suit their needs and they change it often without full-perspective how it is used. For emacs 26.1 I have at least three irritating annoyances (not counting crashes which are often beyond my reach) that I need to code away one way or another. Leo