From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Howard Melman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16214: Consistency in dired-, occur-, and grep-mode Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:12:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20131221.224043.270400015.tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> <87sitl51un.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <20131222.204850.283027925.tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> <87ppoo8srl.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87sfsr9leb.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16385"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) To: 16214@debbugs.gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:5cmmC1xYbeWvfhi71T63WBdHLZM= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 12 20:13:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxps-00046V-BQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 20:13:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48860 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxpq-0001qk-Pm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:13:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxpO-0001nd-EN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:13:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxpO-0005lU-53 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxpN-0001Pq-S8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:13:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <20131221.224043.270400015.tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> Resent-From: Howard Melman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16214 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16446931425396 (code B ref -1); Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:13:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2022 19:12:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxoj-0001Oy-QI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:12:22 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:55376) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxoh-0001Op-NL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:12:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56776) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxoh-0001Ja-I3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:12:19 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:45262) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxod-0005hg-0E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:12:16 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nIxoZ-0002Zq-8Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 20:12:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:226742 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > If these modes were designed today, then having the keys be more > consistent would indeed be a priority. However, these bindings have > been around for decades, and changing them would break the muscle memory > of many people, and be highly annoying, so we can't do that. I understand though am diaappointed. I'd argue my muscle memory would be improved if I didn't have to remember three different sets of some these similar bindings. And of course existing users are able to rebind them if they wish and are certainly more able to do so than new users. But this argument has been made before. > Individual users are free to rebind these as they wish, of course, and > somebody properly motivated could make an ELPA package to unify these > bindings, but I don't think there's anything realistic that can be done > on the Emacs side here, so I'm therefore closing this bug report. FWIW I do the following: (with-eval-after-load 'grep-mode (define-key grep-mode-map (kbd "o") #'compile-goto-error) (define-key grep-mode-map (kbd "C-o") #'compilation-display-error)) I think adding these binding to emacs wouldn't break any muscle memory and would unify at least two categories. I'd also love to see one common way of entering wdired, occur-edit and wgrep. The burden of maintaining this muscle memory is IMHO silly. -- Howard