From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Howard Melman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53158: 28.0.90; TAB, RET key behave differently for Git-Log-View, Outline View mode Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83zgo38ojq.fsf@gnu.org> <8635lvxt9v.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87bl0g6m54.fsf@gnus.org> <8730137e-471-daa1-d4a6-db668ee46f0@SDF.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35959"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) To: 53158@debbugs.gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:lXcUNtxlrYUmOOopCKVVspJ54h8= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 14 16:39:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Ofe-0009DM-K0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 16:39:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33412 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Ofd-0000QB-Mx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:39:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8OdS-0007PC-Ch for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44966) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8OdS-0000ZY-0L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8OdR-00020d-Qd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:37:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Howard Melman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 15:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53158 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16421746007685 (code B ref -1); Fri, 14 Jan 2022 15:37:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2022 15:36:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37869 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Od5-0001zt-ND for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:36:39 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:59866) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Od1-0001ze-6X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:36:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39174) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Od0-0006VY-SH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:36:34 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:53056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Ocz-0000Sg-6R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:36:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Ocw-0005Wo-JI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 16:36:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224213 Archived-At: Van Ly writes: > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> Juri Linkov writes: >> >>> We were hit by this unpleasant problem in diff-mode with >>> outline-minor-mode. In diff-mode TAB moves point to the >>> next hunk, because in browsers TAB moves to the next >>> link. But in outline-minor-mode TAB should expand and >>> collapse on the heading because TAB does this in Org >>> mode. >> >> I think it's unfortunate that outline minor mode uses >> TAB, because it crashes with so much else we're using >> that key for. But I guess there's not much we can do >> about it at this point. >> > > I think outline minor mode and org mode should coordinate > to work well with diff-mode TAB moves. Use TAB and S-TAB > for moving forward and backward to points of interest. > Use ` immediately above the TAB for operating on that > context. What you can do is have a file for design > language roadmap guidance forward to overtime have > contributors align how the TAB is to be used and phase in > new behavior. Give it 18-months to align and grandfather > in old behavior people have grown callous for and are > insensitive to pain point. When I originally proposed the outline cycling commands I suggested C-TAB and S-TAB which I've been using for several years. C-TAB was rejected because it doesn't work in the terminal. I'm GUI only (macport) and haven't tried Emacs 28 yet, but if I find TAB conflicting with things, I hope it's easy for me to change it to C-TAB and have it work anywhere on the line. I understand not wanting terminal to be a second-class citizen (and that it has many users), but I wish its limitations weren't so constraining on the GUI. -- Howard