From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16155: 24.3.50; electric indent gripes Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 22:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: muc.de e.V. 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X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:30:06 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82194 Archived-At: Stefan, The thread up to here ran as follows: >>> Again, the question: why should `newline' indent when we've got the specific >>> command `newline-and-indent'? >> Because apparently most users like it. You don't, so turn it off in >> your ~/.emacs. > Stefan, please don't make the basic mistake: users (probably) like > "pressing RET indents", not "newline command" indents. Jarek's central point, which you cut in your reply to him, was this: > If you have the data that most users like "newline command" to indent, > please show it. It will cut all the discussions. I write it just in case > you really meant what you wrote, which is unlikely. Would you please now address this point. Thanks! > Jarek -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).