From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56870: company-dabbrev variable documentation Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:55:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <878ro74pz5.fsf@rfc20.org> <87y1w73a90.fsf@rfc20.org> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24711"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 56870@debbugs.gnu.org To: Matt Armstrong Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 01 23:59:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oIdRk-0006Eo-0U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2022 23:59:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58628 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oIdRj-0004WQ-0W for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oIdRG-0004Vn-Bh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52045) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oIdRG-00040x-37 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oIdRF-0007jb-Vc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:59:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56870 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 56870-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56870.165939114029714 (code B ref 56870); Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:59:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56870) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2022 21:59:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41793 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oIdRD-0007jC-Mg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:59:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]:10977) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oIdOO-0007dg-7i for 56870@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:56:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1659390957; x=1659650157; bh=f602wG5VIG6MIf4DChZyAGhPCtDQAPJX/O8mXR6ZUpQ=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To: Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=PTN5fsBvSZ5AhoDYidPECeGkd8wGpQvrd/qaWSLLA8EH8drYbsJVzZPxeO/Cuw2V/ zJZATUXSuvZir2kH3HouXDpuH9LGe26VomfBrJQLD/0bUMd3zaDy1PFa4p1ihhS2jr UA6ah2kHHZlEG/lX2b24GJUb+Yx3/u+jcox4dEdNFk8/Z733qpsH/cDozv2uT/uP1W lc8sWfvt31YRSFHpXmAwhUpfedPrKFzwfLp/sO9oCrpP4Z3RdxVsT6u7cbPKpgp7v2 drHwy0t+L1nl73jUy1+I+F3RvVlyPxsfUVCevlPf7uSK6fJw3/J3CuKEFOxsirl6m7 SqZSQSb9Xdouw== In-Reply-To: <87y1w73a90.fsf@rfc20.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:58:57 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" X-ACL-Warn: , uzibalqa Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:238477 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, August 1st, 2022 at 9:49 PM, Matt Armstrong wro= te: > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: > > > On Monday, August 1st, 2022 at 9:24 PM, Matt Armstrong matt@rfc20.org w= rote: > > > > > Hope that helps! > > > > It is a shame that documentation does not come with example. It is > > what is much lacking. > > > I think the "friendly" way to customize Emacs is intended to be the > customization system: > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Easy-Customizat= ion.html > In most cases, the customize interface hides lisp level details from the > user. > > There is project level goal that most of the useful customizations a > user can do in Emacs should be possible in the customize system, without > using lisp. This is one reason the help text does not often describe > things with Lisp examples. They would be of no use to the people using > the Customize interface, and possibly even confusing. There can be a verbosity flag that can be used to show lisp usage following the description. > I still think your original point is a good one. I found the one piece > of documentation explaining how to write quoted things in Emacs > documentation, but I could not find a place explaining the conventions > for quoted things mean in Emacs help. Perhaps another person can find > that, or suggest a way to explain it to new users. Such conventions should be described in the starting part of the documentat= ion or in appendix.