From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17446: 24.4.50; What is the situation around `called-interactively-p'? 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:88869 Archived-At: > So maybe the good old and simple (interactive-p) needs no longer > being obsolete? Unrelated. It's obsolete because it's replaced by called-interactively-p. The discussion here applies just as much about interactive-p as about called-interactively-p. And using/introducing funcall-interactively doesn't solve all the other problems with interactive-p/called-interactively-p, such as the fact that they may (depending on the position of the sun) return nil rather than t if called within an `unwind-protect'. Stefan