From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45198: 28.0.50; Sandbox mode Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:57:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5818DFAA-3A9C-4335-BAAF-1227A02C290A@acm.org> <19511709-E42B-4ABD-9823-39EA08A79B1F@gmail.com> <077448DE-3E4E-4821-8F5C-5CA62BF217E5@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38934"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 45198@debbugs.gnu.org, Philipp , Stefan Kangas , =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= , Alan Third To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 19:58:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lXpCx-000A1Y-Vk for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:58:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52218 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXpCw-0007WT-OC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:58:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXpCk-0007WN-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:32945) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXpCj-000406-Ou for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:58:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXpCj-0000Zp-MR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:58:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45198 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 45198-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45198.16186822692198 (code B ref 45198); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:58:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 45198) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2021 17:57:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXpCW-0000ZO-Mk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:57:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:42414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXpCV-0000ZB-03 for 45198@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:57:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9BA49100222; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1C12C1000C9; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:57:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1618682260; bh=5Vht8iW61t/XVw3ACaOZgsJIOUe8uLMwR1KMNkG/wj0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=iwmls/jkoBCn5oAi1l3bMzWFbjjPpLQZv0+6Gm99WG7poEJiMPIMG0YLE/T4U41/7 skLeLOzGizXbzHqj4r1UUC+83L4jR2a5dNJ6O/NB2AkLZbZcTZPZ0WK6a/olgO8Djx 57+devI6p8zw9/6k0wM4UzPNLmskVd85z4J8gObi3McEpAMypQeQgFqRrx+EVdVpEV qsyAJJo7KprZK0a1bv9zXUpmEySwMjZZEntYjycuelN0/iGaqvW16CqkdAu2CLzRlG 8p2gHh68eWVJ4tnuJ+ikfsNqFi+oW+Sj1qyuhB31EFOePo9Rvb61/chsCnG0cKBh9P QYYAK2QbRhYgA== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8D28120191; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <077448DE-3E4E-4821-8F5C-5CA62BF217E5@acm.org> ("Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?="'s message of "Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:22:31 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204239 Archived-At: >> As we gain more experience with these sandboxing mechanisms, we can look >> at relaxing these restrictions, but I think initially we should >> be conservative. > > I take the opposite view, but our goals are the same and we will converge. I guess the conversion goes like: - define "low-level" interfaces to OS-specific functionality. They can be as close to the OS's own featureset as we want. They don't really need to be stable over time (especially not at the beginning). - define an OS-agnostic API on top of them. This one needs to be conservative and should evolve more slowly, paying attention to backward compatibility. Stefan