From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:25:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87r65co9f4.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <8763mnsq2u.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226863904 20656 80.91.229.12 (16 Nov 2008 19:31:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 16 20:32:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L1nMR-0007Sz-L0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:32:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60305 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L1nLJ-0005BN-7P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:31:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L1nK3-0004sL-He for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:30:15 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L1nK2-0004rf-Cv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:30:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45332 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L1nK2-0004rZ-7p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:30:14 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:50953) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1nK2-0004As-En for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:30:14 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAGJU8IZ001033; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:30:09 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mAGJU4UP000759; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:30:04 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122686351032600 (code B ref 1326); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Nov 2008 19:25:10 +0000 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.pppoe.ca [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAGJP7mA031855 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:25:08 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIFAFsCIElMCrcy/2dsb2JhbACBbMsLgnmBFA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,614,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="29937714" Original-Received: from 76-10-183-50.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.183.50]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 14:25:01 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9C874B4050; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:25:28 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <8763mnsq2u.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (Reiner Steib's message of "Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:28:09 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:30:14 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22414 Archived-At: >>> It was added to prevent redundancy between having buttons in the toolbar >>> and functionally identical buttons in the button. Remove it if you >>> like; I don't feel strongly about it. >> >> I don't either; but I think Andreas's scenario, albeit unlikely, might >> be enough reason to remove it. I agree that this "feature" might better be removed (i.e. the redundant bindings should be left alone). It's not like Emacs never has redundant ways to get at something. Stefan PS: Some other redundancies that come to mind are the major&minor mode menus that are present both in the menu bar and by clicking on the mode's lighter in the mode-line.