From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83wqxk3d1z.fsf@gnu.org> <83y5hyxnb1.fsf@gnu.org> <83wqxhy4ha.fsf@gnu.org> <83fw45xxzk.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehjpxwqd.fsf@gnu.org> <838v9xxss8.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353359759 3986 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2012 21:15:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12911@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 19 22:16:10 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaYhO-0004PC-Nn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:16:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34063 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaYhE-0003ob-Bc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:16:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36660) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaYhB-0003oO-SL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:15:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaYhA-0004t2-T4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:15:57 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45398) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaYhA-0004sy-PU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:15:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaYiD-00024c-N3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:17:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12911 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 12911-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12911.13533597897927 (code B ref 12911); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12911) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2012 21:16:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55649 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaYhg-00023o-PL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:16:28 -0500 Original-Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]:16139) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaYhe-00023f-8I for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:16:27 -0500 Original-Received: from ceviche.home ([24.201.208.110]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MDR007OE71IRP80@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:15:18 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 25DD4660FF; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:15:17 -0500 (EST) In-reply-to: <838v9xxss8.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67186 Archived-At: > Making it in ~/.emacs.d on w32 alone doesn't change the basic fact > that most of the users we care about will still have their backtraces > in random places. No, ~/.xsesson-errors is not a random place. Even if the user doesn't know it, we do. > Why not change that on all platforms? Because stderr is good enough under GNU/Linux (and it's easy to redirect when it matters). > Why demand that only of w32? Because currently w32 users get annoyed with new files appearing where they don't want any. If you prefer to always send it to stderr under Windows, please do so, I really couldn't care less if that means it's usually sent to /dev/null. > No, we disagree about the importance of uniformity in operation across > platforms. I suggested above another way to be uniform across platforms. > Either the data is in a platform-specific place, in which > case the current arrangement is as good as any, No, writing to an arbitrary file in the current directory is not a good arrangement. I personally don't care whether it's uniform across platforms or not. I didn't like the backtrace business to start with and am finding it worse by the day. And it doesn't even give me the info that the old "assert in a macro" gave me. Stefan