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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: 61847@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#61847: debug-early-backtrace only works some of the time.
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 14:58:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy1oh1s5o.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y/5bgUM6Mzv/GIWQ@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:52:33 +0000")

>> The output for compiled functions is the main one which I think is more
>> readable (among those that occur often in backtraces), so let's just
>> agree to disagree on this one.
>
> No.  The point is too important not to resolve.
>
> I think you're objectively wrong here.  The purpose of a backtrace is
> not to enter a beauty contest.  Rather it's to provide the programmer
> with as much information as reasonably possible to solve a bug.
>
> The lack of output for compiled functions with cl-prin1 condemns it.  All
> that appears is "#f(compiled-function)" together with an empty pair of
> parentheses and a meaningless hex address.  What use is any of that in
> debugging a batch mode bug?
>
> prin1 by contrast prints the actual contents of the function - its byte
> code string and its constant vector, among other things.  It may not be
> as "readable", but it is infinitely more useful to the person trying to
> debug a bug.

I'm not sure what you're expecting from me.  Obviously, I'm aware of
what you describe.  I just don't reach the same conclusion.

>> > And how will the contition-case you suggest help?  (require 'cl-print nil
>> > t) returns non-nil in the pertinent circumstances.
>> The `noerror` argument of `require` doesn't silence the errors that
>> happen while loading the file, instead it prevents signaling an error
>> when the file is not found.
> Whether that error is silenced or not is wholly unimportant.  The only
> important thing here is to get a backtrace,

The silencing of the error should help to get a backtrace since it
should let the code fall back to using `prin1`.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-28 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-27 17:11 bug#61847: debug-early-backtrace only works some of the time Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-27 19:15 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-28  9:12   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-28 12:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-28 13:16       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-28 14:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-28 14:45           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-28 17:36     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-28 19:52       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-28 19:58         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2023-03-01 12:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-01 15:22           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-03-01 16:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-01 16:46               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-03-01 17:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-01 17:31                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-03-01 18:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-01 17:34             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-03 10:58               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-03-01 13:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-01 16:05           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-03-01 16:53             ` Eli Zaretskii

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