From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6616: S-TAB is mismapped in the *Help* buffer Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:22:34 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C3AB426.2040500@gmail.com> <83pqyssj5a.fsf@gnu.org> <83mxtwsei9.fsf@gnu.org> <4C3BFCB6.8000002@gmail.com> <4C55B0F9.1060101@gmail.com> <4CD0D87139BC44498B99843347AF787B@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280738292 22687 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2010 08:38:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Adrian Robert' , 'Paul Griepentrog' , 6616@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 02 10:38:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfqXA-000782-Gb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:38:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40702 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OfqX9-0000PR-JM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:38:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40731 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OfqX2-0000PM-F0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:38:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfqX1-00089b-41 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:38:00 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:57184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfqX1-00089R-1D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:37:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfqIX-000245-Kh; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:23:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6616 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6616-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6616.12807373647928 (code B ref 6616); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:23:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6616) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2010 08:22:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfqIF-00023n-9f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:22:43 -0400 Original-Received: from impaqm1.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.1]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfqIC-00023b-Gu for 6616@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:22:41 -0400 Original-Received: from IMPmailhost4.adm.correo ([10.20.102.125]) by IMPaqm1.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id pJHQ1e00a2iL0W201LNgMi; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:22:40 +0200 Original-Received: from ceviche.home ([83.61.38.247]) by IMPmailhost4.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id pLNb1e0045KwfZf1kLNbTZ; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:22:39 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-TE-authinfo: authemail="monnier$movistar.es" |auth_email="monnier@movistar.es" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitnetc01" Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id ED01066125; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:22:34 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4CD0D87139BC44498B99843347AF787B@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:57:50 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:23:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:39141 Archived-At: > Hm. Then perhaps I do disagree. I still think you don't. > I thought that I had misunderstood > and this was not, after all, about binding the S-tab or backtab key to > any given command by default, but it was just about linking S-tab to > backtab (both being keys). Indeed, that's what it's about. > I would oppose binding either key to some command everywhere, > "fallback" or not. It's not bound to anything in global-map, AFAIK. > S-tab and backtab keys can be linked to each other by default for > convenience, but they should both be free of any command by default - > except in particular contexts (e.g. *Help*, Info). That's the current (new) state in emacs-23 (not yet propagated to trunk). > BTW, there are not only the S-tab and backtab keys that should > (perhaps) be linked together by default, but also the S-iso-tab key. > Typically, when code binds S-tab it also needs to bind S-iso-tab. > At least in some cases, we have already taken care of that via > backtab, IIRC. Never heard of `iso-tab' (we have `iso-lefttab', tho, so maybe that's a hint that there's an `iso-tab' somewhere as well). Is that event found under W32, or X11, or when? Stefan