From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19479: Copyright issue Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 18:47:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <28X8CWcxytFrnmAvzW6uuTJIZbigFBiglw7zAmVVIR2@local> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420847302 5230 80.91.229.3 (9 Jan 2015 23:48:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 23:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , assign@gnu.org, 19479@debbugs.gnu.org To: Kelly Dean Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 10 00:48:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9jHo-0002vS-AF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 00:48:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52646 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9jHn-0004Zm-JE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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d="scan'208";a="107250331" Original-Received: from 184-175-10-11.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([184.175.10.11]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 09 Jan 2015 18:47:09 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 96ED466100; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 18:47:09 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <28X8CWcxytFrnmAvzW6uuTJIZbigFBiglw7zAmVVIR2@local> (Kelly Dean's message of "Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:49:54 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98154 Archived-At: All this arguing just to try and avoid signing the standard document baffles me, Stefan >>>>> "Kelly" =3D=3D Kelly Dean writes: > I wrote: >> Anyway, my patch that Glenn objected to was created in the past, not the >> future, so at least that one is ok. > Actually my future patches are ok too. > http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/plain/doc/Copyright/disclaim.= program says: > =E2=8C=9CDigital Stimulation Corporation hereby disclaims all copyright i= nterest > in the program "seduce" (a program to direct assemblers to make passes = at > compilers under GNU Emacs) written by Hugh Heffner, including both the > present version of the program and his/her future changes and > enhancements to it.=E2=8C=9D > Notice the disclaimer applies to future work. Which means my disclaimer > applying to future work is effective. > If the FSF thinks it has to register those PD works (which would be absur= d, > but absurdity has never stopped lawyers), that's a separate issue from the > one-time disclaimer (covering past and future work) that the > disclaim.program file shows that the FSF does accept. It isn't any extra > burden for the FSF compared to assignment, since obviously the FSF can on= ly > register intellectual property ownership of assigned works after those wo= rks > are created too, so the FSF still has to constantly (or annually or > whatever) send new paperwork to the copyright office even for contributors > who have signed an assignment form. IOW, Stefan keeps the lawyers a lot > busier than I do. ;-) > But again, even if for some weird reason the lawyers think my disclaimer = for > future work isn't effective, it certainly is effective for my previous wo= rk, > including my patch for bug #19479. (And if it isn't, then they're welcome= to > point out what's wrong with it, and send me a disclaimer form that _is_ > effective, which I asked for already in 2012). If necessary, I can re-date > and re-sign it in the future to cover new work, which is fine since my > contributions to Emacs are infrequent.