* bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
@ 2012-01-31 1:52 Stefan Monnier
2021-01-20 17:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-01-31 1:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 10670
Package: Emacs
Severity: minor
Version: 24.0.92
The frame parameter `fullscreen' is ill-named: I think that it should be
renamed to `maximized' with accepted values nil, `vertical',
`horizontal', `both', or `fullscreen'.
Stefan
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* bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
2012-01-31 1:52 bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named Stefan Monnier
@ 2021-01-20 17:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-20 18:29 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-01-20 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 10670
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> The frame parameter `fullscreen' is ill-named: I think that it should be
> renamed to `maximized' with accepted values nil, `vertical',
> `horizontal', `both', or `fullscreen'.
I think that makes sense, but I'm not sure just how we would deprecate
something like that. We could introduce a `maximized' parameter and use
it in preference of `fullscreen', and add some special code to issue a
(run-time?) deprecation warning... but I'm not sure the effort (on our
part) and pain (for the users) would be worth it.
Anybody got any opinions here?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
2021-01-20 17:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-01-20 18:29 ` martin rudalics
2021-01-20 19:59 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2021-01-20 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen, Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 10670
>> The frame parameter `fullscreen' is ill-named: I think that it should be
>> renamed to `maximized' with accepted values nil, `vertical',
>> `horizontal', `both', or `fullscreen'.
>
> I think that makes sense, but I'm not sure just how we would deprecate
> something like that. We could introduce a `maximized' parameter and use
> it in preference of `fullscreen', and add some special code to issue a
> (run-time?) deprecation warning... but I'm not sure the effort (on our
> part) and pain (for the users) would be worth it.
>
> Anybody got any opinions here?
'maximized' is a WM concept, usually has an API and pretty well defined
semantics there (show a title bar with the corresponding indicator, do
not show the outer borders, cover the entire working area) and has
little or nothing to do with the other values (except that they are
mutually exclusive). So the proposed renaming would be misguided IMHO.
martin
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* bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
2021-01-20 18:29 ` martin rudalics
@ 2021-01-20 19:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-21 14:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2021-01-20 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: 10670, Lars Ingebrigtsen
>>> The frame parameter `fullscreen' is ill-named: I think that it should be
>>> renamed to `maximized' with accepted values nil, `vertical',
>>> `horizontal', `both', or `fullscreen'.
>>
>> I think that makes sense, but I'm not sure just how we would deprecate
>> something like that. We could introduce a `maximized' parameter and use
>> it in preference of `fullscreen', and add some special code to issue a
>> (run-time?) deprecation warning... but I'm not sure the effort (on our
>> part) and pain (for the users) would be worth it.
>>
>> Anybody got any opinions here?
>
> 'maximized' is a WM concept, usually has an API and pretty well defined
Right, WM now claimed "maximized" as their own term as well, indeed,
after doing the same for "fullscreen". So if we want to change the
current misleading nomenclature and try to be futureproof we should use
a parameter name that sounds unlike any word a sane WM designer will
want to use for anything.
Maybe `use-of-screen-real-estate-status`?
Stefan
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* bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
2021-01-20 19:59 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2021-01-21 14:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-21 14:57 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-01-21 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 10670
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> Right, WM now claimed "maximized" as their own term as well, indeed,
> after doing the same for "fullscreen". So if we want to change the
> current misleading nomenclature and try to be futureproof we should use
> a parameter name that sounds unlike any word a sane WM designer will
> want to use for anything.
>
> Maybe `use-of-screen-real-estate-status`?
`embiggeningness'.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
2021-01-21 14:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-01-21 14:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-27 4:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2021-01-21 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 10670
>> Right, WM now claimed "maximized" as their own term as well, indeed,
>> after doing the same for "fullscreen". So if we want to change the
>> current misleading nomenclature and try to be futureproof we should use
>> a parameter name that sounds unlike any word a sane WM designer will
>> want to use for anything.
>>
>> Maybe `use-of-screen-real-estate-status`?
>
> `embiggeningness'.
You got my vote!
Stefan
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* bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
2021-01-21 14:57 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2021-01-27 4:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-01-27 4:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 10670
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> `embiggeningness'.
>
> You got my vote!
So think the conclusion here was that perhaps this is too much churn
(for Emacs and the users) to warrant the renaming, even if the current
name is less than optimal. So I'm closing this bug report.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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