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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, 74339@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de
Subject: bug#74339: 30.0.92; CC Mode stomps C TS Mode
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:16:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvwmh5rbbp.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86a5e1kbg5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 14 Nov 2024 18:49:14 +0200")

>> Indeed, I think loading a package does not show a strong user
>> preference.  As we've seen, it can happen "by accident" in various
>> circumstances that are only loosely related to using the code in
>> that file.
>> Invoking a mode is a significantly stronger signal.

Dmitry wrote:
> Stronger yes, but is it strong? One might as well be testing the mode,
> without intention to set it up as the default.  And how much does it
> help anyway?  The result can only last until the end of the current
> session, after which the user would need to use one of the
> other approaches.

I can't disagree.

Eli wrote:
> But AFAIU the code in both c-ts-mode and cc-mode is written such that
> just invoking the mode (after the mode's package was loaded once)
> doesn't modify major-mode-remap-defaults.

Indeed.  I had proposed a patch which sets `major-mode-remap-*` when we
enable the mode rather than when we load it, but it was rejected because
supposedly it did not correspond to the "least bad" compromise that
resulted from a long discussion.

> So unless I'm missing something, the current code doesn't support what
> you think should be the way for users to express their preference.

AFAIC, "the way for users to express their preference" is by customizing
`major-mode-remap-alist` and is a different issue than the setting of
`major-mode-remap-default` we're discussing, which is about trying to
*guess* the user's preference.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-14 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-13 14:00 bug#74339: 30.0.92; CC Mode stomps C TS Mode Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 18:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-13 20:13   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 22:34     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-13 22:57       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14  6:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14  9:24         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-14 10:05           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 15:51           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 16:29             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-14 16:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 17:16               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-11-14 19:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 19:45                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 16:20         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 16:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 17:45             ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 17:52               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 19:23               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 19:53                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 20:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 20:38                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-14 21:06                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 21:26                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 17:29           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 19:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 19:38               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 20:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14 20:58                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-14 22:06                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-13 20:28 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-13 20:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-13 20:46     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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