From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4041: 23.0.92; Emacs 23: buffer point is no longer frame-local Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:19:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20090805001735.1CC041E844E@localhost> <4E745DAE.5040808@gmx.at> <4E8EA522.9090300@gmx.at> <4E8F3040.1060409@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318382453 31668 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2011 01:20:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 4041@debbugs.gnu.org To: Steve Yegge Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 03:20:48 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDnV2-00017i-4O for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:20:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50385 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDnV1-0002Ng-KV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44103) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDnUy-0002Nb-K9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDnUw-0003t1-GE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:44 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:42019) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDnUw-0003sx-Eh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDnVF-0006n8-Uv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:21:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4041 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 4041-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4041.131838240926041 (code B ref 4041); Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:21:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4041) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2011 01:20:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDnUO-0006ly-Fa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDnUM-0006ld-PK for 4041@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:07 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAJTqlE5FxJoX/2dsb2JhbABDqC2BBoFTAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiBG4OodMBKEehEU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,526,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="141314011" Original-Received: from 69-196-154-23.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.154.23]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 11 Oct 2011 21:19:41 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 796C75933F; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:19:34 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Steve Yegge's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:35:25 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:21:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:52556 Archived-At: > My proposal -- which people sound like they agree with, and Leo has even > implemented as an add-on -- takes the default behavior from arbitrary to not > only predictable but in fact useful. The only way anyone would even notice > that you've changed something is if they were somehow relying on the > arbitrary default behavior, but as we've determined that it's not especially > predictable, I don't see how anyone could have been relying on it. If we're > really worried about it, we can make a compatibility variable. I think I generally agree it would be a good change. But without an actual patch, it's difficult to assess how reliable and backward compatible we can make it. Stefan