From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17625: 24.4.50; All installed packages marked "unsigned", no archive listed Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 16:19:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87tx89ffax.fsf@pellet.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <2vvbsnrgpk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401567629 26450 80.91.229.3 (31 May 2014 20:20:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 20:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 17625@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 31 22:20:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WqplL-00030Z-Sj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 22:20:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32853 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqplL-00066Z-Ce for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:20:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51441) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqplC-00065m-4b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:20:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wqpl5-0002Y3-8q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:20:10 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:40321) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wqpl5-0002Xo-6T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:20:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wqpl4-00028v-F2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:20:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 20:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17625 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17625-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17625.14015675828197 (code B ref 17625); Sat, 31 May 2014 20:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17625) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 May 2014 20:19:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39198 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wqpkj-000288-6b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:19:42 -0400 Original-Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]:45143) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WqpkZ-00027p-KO for 17625@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:19:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net ([24.201.169.131]) by VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTP id <0N6G00E9HGGJQCC0@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for 17625@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 95A2AAE226; Sat, 31 May 2014 16:19:32 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:89828 Archived-At: > So any signing could only happen on elpa.gnu.org, automatically. That's the intention, indeed. > So if someone hacks elpa.gnu.org, they can hack the signing process too. I guess we could move the archive-generation process to another machine, but yes, if the machine the generates the archive is hacked, then all bets are off. > So all signing does AFAICS is protect against a man-in-the-middle > attack where someone impersonates elpa.gnu.org. Which the use of ssl > certs should already protect against? AFAIK we currently use http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/, so no SSL involved. I don't enough about SSL certs to be sure whether it would provide comparable guarantees to signed packages. Stefan