From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9244: 24.0.50; Server put offline without any prompt Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313635758 13100 80.91.229.12 (18 Aug 2011 02:49:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9244@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 18 04:49:14 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsfQ-0001tA-4L for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:49:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57886 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsfP-00032T-Jo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:49:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59570) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsfN-00032C-5z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsfL-0000C3-Vs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58714) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsfL-0000Bx-St for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtshC-0001y3-0V; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:51:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9244 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9244-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9244.13136358077502 (code B ref 9244); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:51:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9244) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2011 02:50:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsgI-0001wu-BI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:50:07 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtsgE-0001wZ-Gh for 9244@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:50:03 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAMt8TE5Ld+HZ/2dsb2JhbABBqHB4gUABAQQBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgDtzGGSASfb4Q1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,242,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="131583278" Original-Received: from 75-119-225-217.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.225.217]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 17 Aug 2011 22:48:04 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D1F9F66329; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:48:03 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:43:33 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:51:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:50121 Archived-At: >> Occasionally an NNTP (or IMAP) server refuses to answer. >> In Emacs-23, Gnus then prompted me something like "Unable to open >> server foo, go offline? " >> In Emacs-24, this has disappeared at the server is just marked offline >> silently (maybe there's a warning message, but if so I never get to >> notice it). > Yes, it's marked "denied" if you can't open it. It's set to `offline' here, not `denied'. >> Can the prompting be re-introduced, please? > No, the go-offline thing didn't make any sense in most situations. The > offline/online thing is a global Gnus thing, and if (say) your IMAP > connection to Gmail fails, it makes no sense to put Gnus offline with > respect to the other servers. I totally agree and that's indeed the problem I have: Gnus does put my IMAP connection in `offline' state where it shouldn't. Actually for me the prompt made a lot of sense: sometimes the connection failure was really just transient and I want Gnus to re-try connecting, whereas at other times the connection fails for good reasons (e.g. it's a server that I can only access from some places and not from others, or only when the VPN is activated, or it is down for maintenance, ...) and I want to mark it offline so it doesn't prevent me from accessing other servers. Stefan