From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17831: 24.4.50; bad default value for `Man-width' Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:35:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87tx7buryg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <53A92532.9040901@gmx.at> <83zjh2qpia.fsf@gnu.org> <83mwd2qji7.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1403638593 28787 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2014 19:36:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17831@debbugs.gnu.org, sdl.web@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 24 21:36:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WzWW0-0003KJ-P6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:36:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33553 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzWW0-0007Hq-BZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56465) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzWVo-0007DW-8J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:36:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzWVe-0003Xu-9w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:36:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:40225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzWVe-0003Xk-7X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:36:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzWVd-0002ga-UT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:36:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17831 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17831-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17831.140363852210249 (code B ref 17831); Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:36:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17831) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2014 19:35:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59608 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzWUv-0002fB-IT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:35:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:5367) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzWUo-0002er-Oh for 17831@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:35:15 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArYGAIDvNVNLd+D9/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSr0vgw6BFxd0giUBAQEBAgFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4BKkZgWqDTCE X-IPAS-Result: ArYGAIDvNVNLd+D9/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSr0vgw6BFxd0giUBAQEBAgFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4BKkZgWqDTCE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="69427634" Original-Received: from 75-119-224-253.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.224.253]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 24 Jun 2014 15:35:04 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 426136638E; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:35:04 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83mwd2qji7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:56:16 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:90752 Archived-At: >> > But this will momentarily flash incorrect (e.g., empty) display, >> > right? Not nice, IMO. >> That doesn't seem to bother users of C-x v = Doesn't bother web-browser users either, BTW. > Which again uses an asynchronous text producer. That's not the same > as *Completions*, so I don't think we should discuss these two issues > as one. For the non-async case, the empty buffer will not appear for lack of redisplay. > Are you sure? what about echo-area messages, which might trigger redisplay? That can happen, but I wouldn't worry about it. > > The unprofessionalism doesn't bother me too much for M-x man, especially > > since the current behavior is broken IMNSHO: it pops up a window > > asynchronously, i.e. at a time you might be doing something else and not > > expecting this disruption. > So perhaps TRT is simply to get rid of the asynchronous operation in > the first place. The annoying disruption is when "M-x man" takes a long time to get&generate the full output. I.e. it's the case where it's especially important to use asynchronous operation. Stefan