From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:14:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf9eo3mq.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3973"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Third , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , Gregory Heytings , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 21 17:16:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEaE-0000sH-V8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:16:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59856 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEaE-0002KW-1G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:16:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34402) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEZC-0001mg-2u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47902) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEZB-0000tm-QB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:15:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEZB-00047x-Lf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:15:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161901808215814 (code B ref 1305); Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:15:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2021 15:14:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59448 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEYr-000470-Lm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:14:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:15531) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEYq-00046i-Go for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:14:40 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8F91B80BC1; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3072C80462; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:14:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1619018073; bh=lNoGtKeYzxo+V0ZyVditFQky00QrNB6Bxe34sW5XAls=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=krLvOrpueX/COCDowPCW1bLq47vRk8oUPF7wXiw85UdllTGiq8hLAi9VeIKwUljh8 gdbtEFarOaKiLp0GswcLOF8sPEjCvpfewtTCYUqERNZ4VtB3T0ZLsETZVFlxMb5iQK skVDzBo+Jk3icD4pqozIaM1fgr8QXNm9XmLLhk+5lXzQEHVmD0vgYyXz1fI7SzTdpx e9escwdZy7D+qmvL4/KOxMtUnpUYqhlyWS0VjZ9vKYvppWtidlaAyFJRne4cwIuI8E uZJ1ud5AnYXlhoSvVifjySwqurdkb425FvGVFUDHmRGpvOOLqCYVDB6wmiyoP4NQ8V D4g2fmX8od/zw== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C53E31202D7; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:14:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:51:55 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204630 Archived-At: >>> I think this is a bit of a mess, indeed. >>> >>> I would be in favour of fixing this by adding one or more new variables >>> with reasonable semantics. For example, why not have a variable called >>> `alarm-bell' with these valid values: >>> >>> - a function call this function >>> - `visual' Use a visual bell >>> - t Ring the bell >>> - nil Do nothing >> Agreed, except I suggest to use slightly different names: `visual` becomes >> `ring-bell-visual`, `t` becomes `ring-bell-beep`, `nil` becomes `ignore` and >> `alarm-bell` becomes `ring-bell-function`. > > And obsoleting the visible-bell variable? And/or use (defun ring-bell-default () (if visible-bell (ring-bell-visual) (ring-bell-beep))) as the default value of `ring-bell-function`. Stefan