From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16196: 24.3.50; Disable ding when scrolling Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:07:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: <25C13650-058F-45CC-A961-D789709B1179@swipnet.se> <83d2krc34d.fsf@gnu.org> <29609060-51EE-4D80-9D96-90CABE6A6844@swipnet.se> <834n63bxxb.fsf@gnu.org> <146154A1-1747-40BE-BE17-7DF4FB5DE808@swipnet.se> <831u17bdfy.fsf@gnu.org> <83y53f9s6t.fsf@gnu.org> <3E2B9204-7431-4CC0-952F-C37BB2FFD2D9@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388812096 14648 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 05:08:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 05:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "16196@debbugs.gnu.org" <16196@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 06:08:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzJTB-0002BE-9r for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 06:08:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53197 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzJTA-0006Vt-Mx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:08:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42526) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzJT0-0006Vj-8i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:08:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzJSs-0005Mp-PG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:08:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzJSs-0005Mk-M2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzJSs-0000R3-0Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:08:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16196 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16196-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16196.13888120331586 (code B ref 16196); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16196) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2014 05:07:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32823 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzJS5-0000PV-BL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:07:13 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:19028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzJS4-0000PN-17 for 16196@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:07:12 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFG4rwsm/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFG4rwsm/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="43948911" Original-Received: from 184-175-11-38.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([184.175.11.38]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 04 Jan 2014 00:07:11 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 617196063D; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:07:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <3E2B9204-7431-4CC0-952F-C37BB2FFD2D9@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?="'s message of "Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:46:32 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82889 Archived-At: >> But if you're at EOB and you scroll with the wheel to try and go "even >> further", if Emacs doesn't (ding), then it does nothing: lack of feedback. > Which is useless IMHO. Ding implies an error, this isn't one. I want > to be at EOB and I am at EOB. Useless or not, the point is: without (ding) this would make the command do absolutely nothing, which is contrary to the principle that Emacs should try to provide some feedback in response to each command. > I rather have a silent lack of feedback than a lot of beeping. If you use the audible bell, the beeping might indeed be a pain in the ear (tho I can't really judge: I find the audible bell itself to be unbearable so I've used the visual bell for as long as I can remember). So the question is: which kind of feedback should we use instead? I'd rather keep some kind of feedback. Maybe a `message'? Stefan