From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19603: 24.4.51; Improve emacs startup message. Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:48:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87bnm0zhrl.fsf@gmail.com> <54B82E2F.7000105@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1421362156 11546 80.91.229.3 (15 Jan 2015 22:49:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19603@debbugs.gnu.org, Thierry Volpiatto To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 15 23:49:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YBtDy-0002iO-Jp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:49:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53224 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YBtDy-00053F-2q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:49:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49447) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YBtDu-0004y5-1n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:49:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YBtDq-0005A7-Ri for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:49:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49325) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YBtDq-00059u-OQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:49:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YBtDq-00069B-6u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:49:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19603 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19603-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19603.142136213523616 (code B ref 19603); Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19603) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2015 22:48:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58186 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YBtDj-00068p-3y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:48:55 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:55975) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YBtDh-00068i-TO for 19603@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:48:54 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t0FMmqQ3015786; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:48:52 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 710FBA32; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:48:52 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <54B82E2F.7000105@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Fri, 16 Jan 2015 00:16:31 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5187=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5187> : inlines <1782> : streams <1374002> : uri <1842531> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98391 Archived-At: >> Maybe the best option is to emit some >> message at startup in the following case: >> - there are packages installed. >> - the .emacs file is non-empty. >> - there is no call to package-initialize in the .emacs file. > But deferring packages initialization till after the init file has been > loaded is a valid strategy. It interacts poorly with hand customizations in ~/.emacs which typically assume/need the packages to be initialized. Note that the equivalent initialization (i.e. loading the autoloads) is done (long) before loading the .emacs file for all the built-in packages. Stefan