From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58563: 29.0.50; Generic functions and advertised-calling-convention Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:35:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878rlgjcbl.fsf@tcd.ie> <878rlgjbwq.fsf@gnus.org> <875ygjj122.fsf@gnus.org> <871qr7j01z.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn8zhk8k.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23786"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: "Basil L. Contovounesios" , 58563@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 16 17:36:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ok5gW-0005ys-U6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 17:36:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50106 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok5gV-0003CS-Sg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:36:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35406) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok5gI-0003BS-EF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:36:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok5gI-0003Np-6v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:36:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok5gH-0005eo-N5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:36:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 15:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58563 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 58563-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58563.166593451521685 (code B ref 58563); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 15:36:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 15:35:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45906 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok5fW-0005df-Qw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:35:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:36323) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok5fV-0005dL-0n for 58563@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:35:13 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 31645805B2; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BEB9A80261; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:35:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1665934501; bh=v/kjKJTYLpLBa8nDLM7Jb4PSqncBlWSiyxxFzOJynsw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=YZpe88aAbh+HoIUqhvE9OJxv/Fhdwu0H3Is56QkexrrETtvhLbTWhj84DLmLT8f0V QlWXFyap5Ih6Hx74I3KrJj8aFfZbwj9ucPXGdwNYDSNkOXqypP8Qt/ruUptB/t/kCS lOpR5JPjJxWFQc3YORlwJwSFx+F6g0X7Z9vomW9l/G/QApN2/rg969e2TXgxpDNynI miFIB2yLWmmnlzjY/03rp6xXDe5oqiTUcEAWUzyAZm7banLNJUekmEHC5VEQhdpH3p 7EJHcJT6ZpXV+pGOvMCAykoovArb+Pi5bkhDJdo6dTmew5GB8piPIg970/7RDAMDOU admsbXtRMtHng== Original-Received: from pastel (65-110-220-202.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.220.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A3AF120F35; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:35:01 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87wn8zhk8k.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2022 17:16:27 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245660 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-10-16 17:16:27] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >> A defgeneric without a body is *not* a fallback method. >> It's just a declaration, really. > Er, right. Geez, it's been too long since I've written Common Lisp... > But still, having to use a defgeneric to do `declare's is a bit > cumbersome. The need for `declare` is infrequent. The use of a single `cl-defmethod` is infrequent. The intersection of the two should be small enough that I don't see a good reason to care if it's slightly less convenient than ideal. But I'm only arguing to defend my choice not to implement it: don't let that stop you from doing the work :-) Stefan