From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10781: EIEIO namespace use Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87aa1wi206.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335626639 8308 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2012 15:23:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Eric M. Ludlam" To: 10781@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 28 17:23:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9V7-00085U-Sg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:23:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42820 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9V7-0004yB-6t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:23:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37680) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9V4-0004y6-6W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:23:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9V2-0007Ko-HV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:23:53 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:55931) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9V2-0007Ki-E8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9WA-0007ij-0i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:25:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10781 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10781-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10781.133562664529612 (code B ref 10781); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:25:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10781) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2012 15:24:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56965 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9VF-0007hZ-C0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:24:05 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.143.162]:58529) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9VD-0007h2-Fn for 10781@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:24:04 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUIACxOgk9soXnu/2dsb2JhbABDuCMDgQyBCIIJAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA2IQAW2MothgVWDJASkRYFdgwM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,391,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="177355497" Original-Received: from 108-161-121-238.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([108.161.121.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 28 Apr 2012 11:22:47 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5DB9758973; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:22:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87aa1wi206.fsf@engster.org> (David Engster's message of "Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:28:41 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:59592 Archived-At: >> EIEIO needs to be cleaned up so it doesn't intrude all over >> the namespace. >> The worst offenders include: >> - `this'. >> - `slot-*'. >> - `constructor', `destructor'. >> - `delete-instance'. >> - `initialize-instance'. >> - `clone'. >> - `data-debug*'. >> - `make-instance'. >> - `oref'. >> - `oset'. >> - `with-slots'. >> - `object-*'. >> - `class-*'. >> - `next-method-p'. >> - `call-next-method'. >> - error symbols (like no-next-method). >> - ... probably `defmethod', `defclass', and `defgeneric'. > I think this should be a goal for the next merge, but I'm at a loss > regarding how this should be tackled without, you know, breaking > practically every bit of code in CEDET and probably others. Do you > have a suggestion? Maybe even creating EIEIOv2 and slowly porting > CEDET to that? We'll hopefully be moving the CL library to a new `cl-lib' which uses the "cl-" prefix consistently. Maybe EIEIO can use the same prefix for those cases where "eieio-" would be inconvenient? This said, the most pressing issue is `this'. Stefan