From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52063: 28.0.60; Confusing presentation of lambda Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83czmqaegb.fsf@gnu.org> <874k82vwe5.fsf@gnus.org> <831r35afde.fsf@gnu.org> <87v90hu36b.fsf@gnus.org> <83v90h8zjw.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1b5u1cl.fsf@gnus.org> <83pmqp8vps.fsf@gnu.org> <87v90ge5rc.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6hr9k79.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11480"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Philipp Stephani , Filipp Gunbin , Eli Zaretskii , 52063@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 26 14:14:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mqb3j-0002nV-Oy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 14:14:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50598 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqb3i-0000uG-Ol for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:14:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqb3C-0000u0-R0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:14:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47419) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqb3C-00054e-IR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:14:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mqb3C-0003Fk-Ew for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:14:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52063 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52063-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52063.163793244212502 (code B ref 52063); Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52063) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2021 13:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58965 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mqb3B-0003FM-Ky for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:14:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:48863) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mqb3A-0003F9-4W for 52063@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:14:00 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7DA1A8037A; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:13:54 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 066C1806A7; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:13:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1637932433; bh=+Alt92c6VPHgA/KwNeX9JH7iMh4wni1u8T1A/S1xtYE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=d2R8R9p+81/1NypvQ/mXthB0IkummnW1JeYtwzcya5YWdUelv/KBuPrnpuqEKI9hi 3QoOXgQtCn5a49ZJ20xUoNTeeBy6UMwOdEwUiJR2fb2y7eGIcOsUoBnFBEIRtTbpe2 oIxt0J8DAYjbQrpjT+18GkvhgiyGTZCjMTgfFTMrY3wV9kTNWS3+Cvkxh3ans0fEBW 1ICfIJO+z203DR7CxAyi9KgHVXuW9Yp/Z/+bhCjzGe/r1qUWioG917qYROwKvX5Fzt iH5SfOycFJu/TsEFGhM9fuwqXvN5+frZVMiadj5KZbZPYMh6tZtmGfo2i5OVPE56on 05Zd7fyK5WYaA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [216.154.30.173]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE7591204BA; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:13:52 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87a6hr9k79.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:26:34 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:220872 Archived-At: > or something like that? And in that case, we could just say even say that > > (lambda (x) > (declare (environment ((bar . 2)))) > (+ x bar)) > > is how to represent this. =F0=9F=98=80 (I.e., a `lambda' with a `declare > environment' is a closure.) > > (Which would also mean that we'd have to allow `declare' in lambdas, > which I think we should anyway.) I sense a bit of confusion: we're talking about the runtime representation of function values: those never occur in source code. Stefan